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Except for missing my point of 3500 being a crap tow rating to begin with at least for the 4dr then yes we’re on similar page. Ford set the rating at what they did yes, and because of that I’ll likely not be buying a bronco. But I would love to and fords missing out on sales for something that...

That’s the whole reason people talk about it, they don’t want to exceed the tow rating. Sure there are some that say it’s no big deal to do so, but most want the extra tow rating so that we won’t be exceeding it. And without that some will look elsewhere. If a simple change to the rear...

Yea, almost none of that relates to the broncos towing capacity at all. Mentions brakes, frame, engine, transmission, driveline and tires not holding up, all of those on the bronco are already rated to tow much more in other vehicles. You’re not going to strain the engine/drivetrain with 5k when...

Not everybody needs the truck capabilities. And as you said, 3500 across the board seems to just be playing it safe. That’s what people are upset about. Even the wrangler has a 1500lb difference between 2dr and 4dr all else the same. Longer wheelbase means better stability all else equal. So why...

I’ve got a Camaro SS convertible and use the Bluetooth pretty often. At interstate speeds it can be difficult to hear, but with the top down putting the windows up helps a ton. Of course if ya have doors off that’s not really possible, but for just around town and below interstate speeds(so up...

Beating the wrangler at things most buy these vehicles for is one thing yes, but actually drawing people in that already won’t buy the wrangler because of one thing is even better. And being exactly the same in any aspect is a missed opportunity to do just that. Also would be more convincing to...

I’ve got a toyhauler and (currently) 4 motorcycles to choose from to take with me on trips. I wouldn’t expect to keep my current setup with a bronco, but even trading in the toyhauler for a smaller one would need at least 5k tow cap from the bronco. So yes, I would love to haul the camper, set...

P/u = pickup, which has been spoken of, rendered, half expected to happen. That would not be wrangler competitor, that would solely be gladiator competitor(gladiator is wrangler pickup, so bronco pickup=competition). Course even if that happens as some say it will, going to be years before it...

Jeep products also have a 1500lb difference in tow cap between 2 and 4 door cause of longer wheelbase. Whereas the bronco has the exact same tow rating across 2 dr and 4 dr and with 2 different engines. That alone means the 4 dr should easily be capable of 5k without any extra changes or...

Full size bronco had over 7k tow cap depending on engine.

Jeep Wrangler has had the basically the same two rating for 30yrs with the only real exception being adding a 4 door. You really gonna say in 30yrs technology hasn’t advanced enough for bronco to have at least half the tow rating of multiple non offroader equivalents? They shouldn’t have to make...

Didn’t vote because I wouldn’t be replacing mine, but I’ve got a Camaro SS convertible. And this one replaced a v6 camaro that I racked up 120k miles on.

If the complaint was that it couldn’t tow 12000lbs I’d completely agree. That’s definitely towing specific truck territory, as 2.1sec 0-60 is definitely supercar territory. But if you want to actual make that comparison match it’d be more like this - Ranger and bronco sized suvs have a 0-60 of...

I’m not a Jeep/wrangler owner so what’s your point? Never said nobody can have an off-road vehicle that only tows crap amounts. I said it’s not a lot to ask for in today’s world when suvs same size as a 4dr bronco can tow almost 10k and that I won’t be getting one without at least half that...

Wouldn’t be towing anything off-road, but without the ability to tow decent amount on road, then unhook and go off road, I won’t be getting a bronco. Don’t need an f150 for what I tow, no longer live in an age where a truck is the only thing that can ever tow anything. And I won’t be getting 2...

Yes let’s just censor people’s opinions and just try to ignore that there’s commonality among peoples wants....

I assumed ya meant trying to raise the back glass without opening the tailgate as easy access to just reach in the back. But I get your point. And as I said before, a window ain’t any harder to smash so I don’t leave valuables laying out in any vehicle, removable top or not. No temptation to...

Just to point out, only way it’d really be easier on new broncos hard top is if you completely remove the spare tire and third brake light. Otherwise you still have to open the tailgate before opening the swing up(they block the swing up top piece). Also, are top cutting vandals actually a...

Just on the theft side of things people keep bringing up, it’s really no more difficult and actually much quicker to break a window than cut through the thick material the soft tops made of, even if the windows are plastic they’re still rather thick and take a bit of work to make a hole large...

Never said it wasn’t, the 2.3 is a turbo too. And Jeep puts their 2.0 turbo over the 3.6. But the 3.6 is still a 6 cylinder, and that’s all some people care about. So a turbo 6 is closer comparison and that much better than the NA 6 in Jeep.