Can’t stop redlining the 2.3

[zyglyrox]

I'm waiting for a V6 or V8 swap that'll work in conjunction with a manual. Doesn't need to be my 7spd, I'll take 5 or 6spd that can handle the additional power/tq

I'd happily take a 2.7 or 3.0 swap with a manual.. that with a tune would be PLENTY

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[gbub]

@gbub … yeah Bob Tasca (Sr) saved Ford from the 67 embarrassing 390/428 FE.

Yes, he did!

 

[Bronco21Maybe]

I love the Bronco and tend to drive vehicles until they fall apart. But I can see replacing the drive train instead of trading this one in down the road.

 

[MilesTeg]

I’d argue that Coyotes actually lack meaningful low-end torque compared to the EcoBoost motors. The 5.0 has snappy throttle response, which people often mistake for torque during city driving, but the Coyote really needs to be revved to the moon to make power. The EcoBoost motors deliver peak torque much earlier in the rev range.

I’d actually take a 7.3 Godzilla swap over a 5.0 any day—low-end grunt would be preferable.

My 2018 Ford Mustang GT is a slug at low RPMs compared to my eco-boost engine vehicles. It’s the only thing I don’t like about it. You have to rev that thing to get any power out of it.

Until the turbo(s) spool up, an NA engine is going to be putting out a higher % of its peak torque. This is just the fact of the universe about turbo vs NA engines. Modern turbos are a lot better than from decades ago (BMW has done a magnificient job), but they still have lag.

For an Ecoboost, that's about 2,000RPM where they get something like 90% of peak. At that point, they'll do better until the Coyote overpowers it with higher max torque/hp.

IOW: If you could create a 100% apples to apples comparison with the only difference being the motor, the Coyote is going to beat the 2.7 off the line, then the 2.7 will get ahead for a bit, but the Coyote is still going to make the quarter mile faster, hah. At a certain distance, the 2.7 will win though.

So, perhaps we just disagree about what "low end torque" is.

 

[Willub]

Until the turbo(s) spool up, an NA engine is going to be putting out a higher % of its peak torque. This is just the fact of the universe about turbo vs NA engines. Modern turbos are a lot better than from decades ago (BMW has done a magnificient job), but they still have lag.

For an Ecoboost, that's about 2,000RPM where they get something like 90% of peak. At that point, they'll do better until the Coyote overpowers it with higher max torque/hp.

IOW: If you could create a 100% apples to apples comparison with the only difference being the motor, the Coyote is going to beat the 2.7 off the line, then the 2.7 will get ahead for a bit, but the Coyote is still going to make the quarter mile faster, hah. At a certain distance, the 2.7 will win though.

So, perhaps we just disagree about what "low end torque" is.

 

[Techun]

Until the turbo(s) spool up, an NA engine is going to be putting out a higher % of its peak torque. This is just the fact of the universe about turbo vs NA engines. Modern turbos are a lot better than from decades ago (BMW has done a magnificient job), but they still have lag.

For an Ecoboost, that's about 2,000RPM where they get something like 90% of peak. At that point, they'll do better until the Coyote overpowers it with higher max torque/hp.

IOW: If you could create a 100% apples to apples comparison with the only difference being the motor, the Coyote is going to beat the 2.7 off the line, then the 2.7 will get ahead for a bit, but the Coyote is still going to make the quarter mile faster, hah. At a certain distance, the 2.7 will win though.

So, perhaps we just disagree about what "low end torque" is.

You are correct that dyno charts don't show turbo lag. But if you're at 2k or above in the 2.7 (my only reference) it's very, very minimal. And then once you have boost it's much more powerful than a coyote from like 2k to 4k ish.

Not saying either engine is better than the other...

 

[VirginiaHeritage]

I’ve seen that redline warning animation in my 2.7 exactly once and it wasn’t intentional. I went WOT in Sport Mode just after pulling away from a stop. The animation kinda startled me so I backed off.

 

[Aknobronco]

When you blow it up and Ford deny your claim, you will stop reving with a dead motor!

 

[CarmeloS]

I'd happily take a 2.7 or 3.0 swap with a manual.. that with a tune would be PLENTY

I'd go into debt over a swap kit, I only went with a four banger turbo because I wanted stick

 

[burgerking]

I only went with a four banger turbo because I wanted stick

There's a lot of 4wd/awd vehicles I'd rather drive than a bronco if you could get a stick

 

[HotdogThud]

The little 2.3 does like the RPMs but nothing gained going to redline IMO. I just stay in the power band by ear and the seat of my pants.

yarp. The power band on most modern turbos drops off pretty sharply past about 5-5.5k, not really much point in going beyond that.

 

[gbub]

There may be one thing you may be overlooking. I raced in SCCA for 32 years and during that time I learned few thing about power and acceleration when going through the gears. Even when torque or horsepower drops after peaking, acceleration may still be better than going to a higher gear.

Lower gears have higher torque multiplier ratio. So, when you grab a higher gear you lose some of the torque ratio and can reduce the torque to the ground. Of course , there is a point where the engine torque falls off enough that the next gear will be better for acceleration. It is just normally not at peak engine torque.

Also torque is not as much of a factor at high rpm. That is when horsepower becomes the dominate factor.

 

[skhubbard93]

My dashboard ('21 7MT BL) doesn't have that tach. I am envious. All I get is a little vertical "graph" made of different-colored lines that climbs with the revs and has a red section above 5-something.

Out of desperate hope, I just went out to mine in the garage, fired it up, and looked through every setting and option I could find, but nope, no joy. That's all I get.

Good for engine zero carbon build up on valves.

I hear it helps the waste gate stay operational too.

 

[23OBX2.7]

yarp. The power band on most modern turbos drops off pretty sharply past about 5-5.5k, not really much point in going beyond that.

Ecoboost 2.3 is a great engine better low RPM torque than Coyote, add the FP tune and its way better.

 

[23OBX2.7]

Until the turbo(s) spool up, an NA engine is going to be putting out a higher % of its peak torque. This is just the fact of the universe about turbo vs NA engines. Modern turbos are a lot better than from decades ago (BMW has done a magnificient job), but they still have lag.

For an Ecoboost, that's about 2,000RPM where they get something like 90% of peak. At that point, they'll do better until the Coyote overpowers it with higher max torque/hp.

IOW: If you could create a 100% apples to apples comparison with the only difference being the motor, the Coyote is going to beat the 2.7 off the line, then the 2.7 will get ahead for a bit, but the Coyote is still going to make the quarter mile faster, hah. At a certain distance, the 2.7 will win though.

So, perhaps we just disagree about what "low end torque" is.

Volvo 2.0 supercharged turbocharged with R Polestar tune is such a wonderful ICE.

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