2.3L intercooler off roading - SPAL Fan

[krazykevin]

Generally flags are flown upside down in times of extreme distress. That is fitting for your profile picture. While this thread has been very entertaining, it is truly impressive to watch someone disagree with fundamentals of physics, thermodynamics, and engineering principals. Plenty of people have provided great insight and information that could steer your opinion if you give it a chance.

It is also entertaining to personally know a couple of the people you are talking to have SIGNIFICANTLY more experience and knowledge on this subject and you still "chit" on their feedback.

*Also before you start posting screenshots of my account and signature, I'll address that I do not have a bronco, but I do wheel with Broncos. I do have Forced Induction vehicles. Forums are fun places to chat with like minded enthusiasts.*

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[Q1svt]

… never anything backing up your 97 posts lol

Just to be sure nothing changed since we (G & I) purchased the 1984 vehicle new with a turbo

I pulled out my original factory repair manuals. Nope two rotors connected with a shaft and controlled by a waste gate.

The manuals are older than you lol

 

[Q1svt]

Generally flags are flown upside down in times of extreme distress.

lol wrong assumption… Q1 is a flag flown by ford…. They have my order on QA Hold. ;^)
It’s a joke

Re-all this very knowledgeable people yet not one has put forth any actual data???

Like you, just opinions …

Again my post was about a fan.
Full Stop

others have boost topic up their ass. I would like to see (not opinions) but any actual data

I can't seem to locate any of my 4 low crawl gear WOT datalogs

honestly are you …

Never seen a dyno pull in low gear ever… seen many part pulls to gain data

 

[Q1svt]

The data is pretty standard on a dyno pull
starting down low around 2,000 rpm isn't

HP & TQ top section
Bottom sections left is fuel, right is boost

 

[krazykevin]

lol wrong assumption…

See, that is where you are wrong.

This is a fact:

Generally flags are flown upside down in times of extreme distress.

This is an ASSumption:

That is fitting for your profile picture.

 

[OverBudget]

… never anything backing up your 97 posts lol

Just to be sure nothing changed since we (G & I) purchased the 1984 vehicle new with a turbo

I pulled out my original factory repair manuals. Nope two rotors connected with a shaft and controlled by a waste gate.

The manuals are older than you lol

Who even has said anything remotely close to disagreeing with how a turbo is constructed?

You post such random stuff with zero relevance to what people are even trying to tell you.

Again my post was about a fan.
Full Stop

others have boost topic up their ass. I would like to see (not opinions) but any actual data

A fan for the intercooler because you were concerned with heat soak from running high boost at low speed........my guy, you are the one who brought up boost, you are just in denial of the people telling you that your scenario of being in soft sand spinning your tires reving over 4k in 4L crawl gear under 4mph has zero reason to put concern to your charge air temps because you simply won't be making the boost pressures that would heat soak the intercooler in its factory form.

And I'm also sorry to tell you but a Dyno graph isn't going to show you any of the data you are after that would shed any light on your scenario. Because a Dyno would be run under load, your scenario would be seeing minimal load.

 

[Q1svt]

data from any one of you seems we have opinion posters

And I buy the popcorn…. Oh thanks for wearing pants

ASSumptions … you buddies with the guy with the ass?

 

[GreyZ]

Also, please show me a tire that will hold 30793 ft lbs of torque on a dyno. Wait its not possible, only a eddy current hub dyno would be able to effectivly load the vehicle in the mythical scenario you have in your mind with comical amounts of straps holding the vehicle and dynos in place. (there are no dynos capable of those torque ratings from any of the mainline distributors, much less easily found by the general public at a performance shop)


The reason there is no data is because the scenario is not achievable. Not on a dyno, Not in real life.

 

[Q1svt]

see below

OB
Who even has said anything remotely close to disagreeing with how a turbo is constructed?

You post such random stuff with zero relevance to what people are even trying to tell you.

Q1
YOU KEEP TELLING TO I NEED TO LEARN ABOUT TURBOS.
I know about them... what I'm interested in is how FORD has programed the '2025 2.3L in a bronco... not a mustang, not a ranger.

OB
A fan for the intercooler because you were concerned with heat soak from running high boost at low speed........my guy, you are the one who brought up boost, you are just in denial of the people telling you that your scenario of being in soft sand spinning your tires reving over 4k in 4L crawl gear under 4mph has zero reason to put concern to your charge air temps because you simply won't be making the boost pressures that would heat soak the intercooler in its factory form.

Q1
THE FAN has been a done topic since page !

I NEVER SAID high boost, crawler gear or...
I SAID
Ford has the doors or shutters to control flow to the intercooler when flow is not needed.

But when off road slowly moving and under load / boost, there is little or nothing flowing through it…. I’m in hot dry climate.

Anyone WITH real knowledge

OB
And I'm also sorry to tell you but a Dyno graph isn't going to show you any of the data you are after that would shed any light on your scenario. Because a Dyno would be run under load, your scenario would be seeing minimal load.

Q1
PROVE IT... I'm been reading dyno charts and dataloger data for over 4 decades.

Q1
The issues I see is all of these know-it-alls are running performance vehicles were boost is in the mid-upper rpm ranges. FORD put a turbo on their different trim levels of Broncos as such there are different tuning

No one with a 3.0 BRaptor is going to turn it for low speed, BAJA Yes

A Badlands is not a BRaptor, and if you add the 2.3L w/ the MT88 gearing its a bulldog in the three lower gears.

For those eating popcorn hope you are enjoying this... and FYI, they are not providing actual data... FORD data on the 2.3L/MT88, or their own. WHY.. Why o why not ???

I find it interest that they brought in a ringer.

*Also before you start posting screenshots of my account and signature, I'll address that I do not have a bronco, but I do wheel with Broncos. I do have Forced Induction vehicles. Forums are fun places to chat with like minded enthusiasts.*

Is what he says he is wheeling a forced induction 4x4?
I think not... opinion

I have forced induction vehicle that's not a 4x4. 32 valve, superchagered v8 had it since 2005

People seem to be trying to now CYA popcorn up ladies and gents

 

[Q1svt]

Also, please show me a tire that will hold 30793 ft lbs of torque on a dyno.

What in gods name are you talking about ?
30793 ft lbs of torque


these people are making up nonsense
they think they can confuse you ... so you'll never know


from page 4
This is why to get information you are seeking, sometimes you have to push through the Parrots, Repeaters, '', and nay-sayers regurgitating non-sense.

 

[Q1svt]

so the admins don't get mad for the documents and links I'm posting here is one you can find..

Steve Morris is a very interesting guy... a Michigander

Build his own bullet blocks and heads, intakes too

 

[GreyZ]

What in gods name are you talking about ?
30793 ft lbs of torque

The parrot told it to me, straight from your spreadsheets with the answers.

 

[krazykevin]

What in gods name are you talking about ?
30793 ft lbs of torque

Do you also need someone to explain how a dyno works? You claim all of this experience yet prove time and time again that you do not understand:

Per YOUR numbers here:

A Dyno measures the TQ at the wheel, which is the final effective ratio times the peak engine TQ.
310 X 94.74 = 29,369 ft lbs at the wheel. We can agree that above had a rounding error.

This cannot be measured on any reasonably accessible DYNO. This is why there is no hard data. However some of us are capable of doing math.

 

[Q1svt]

The parrot told it to me, straight from your spreadsheets with the answers.

To funny, Parrot never told you. You took it from the spreadsheet why?

YOU choose to used that because its stupid

A dyno can be run generally in several different gears depending on the specific driveline most often it's in a 1:1 gear ... That moves around depending on how many gears there are ... in a 2025 2.3L w/ MT88 manual transmission that is FOURTH GEAR see spreadsheet lol

But in the MT88 third, or second are possible NOT A WOT, cause a Badlands is a low end bulldog in the info I have seen, I will say from about 2,500 - 4,500 RPM where I will use it, [but maybe others plus a little]
This is very do able to see where TQ starts - to 4,500

Can see other videos from Steve Morris

I SAID this in post 139 & 140

Why are these two and others so determined to stay on a topic that was dead at the end of page 4... They said a bronco in granny gear or first turning 3-4500 is NOT MAKING BOOST

If we assume this statement below is true [assume] then why do they keep pushing nonsense? If they cannot prove it to be true; then they cannot disprove the opposite facts.
"This cannot be measured on any reasonably accessible DYNO. This is why there is no hard data. However some of us are capable of doing math." GreyZ


ADMINS you can freeze this thread anytime... but I think people are seeing things.

 

[Brian_B]

I made it to page 10 and haven’t seen a bit of data from the OP about boost or temps at low speeds.


Just a spreadsheet of gear ratios, which …. Cool, I guess?

The OP doesn’t even have a Bronco?

I say come back when your balls drop and you figure out a thing or two about how Broncos work. The rest of us are out on the trails living it.

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