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I'd go non Sasquatch. They look nice without it as well. 
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If 40's are the new 35's, then 35's are the new 30's.......
My SAS is extremely tame and handles better then any other high-clearnace 4x4 i've owned. So safety is a non-issue, comes down to cost vs. looks.
My SAS is extremely tame and handles better then any other high-clearnace 4x4 i've owned. So safety is a non-issue, comes down to cost vs. looks.
HOSS 2.0 comes with SAS. But yes, I would agree for the USE case it isn’t required. However, in a sense this is a game of economics.For OP's usage, HOSS isn't something I'd be concerned about though. Sas functionality wouldn't see much use either. I think OP made a decent choice for the actual usage.
Honestly I feel like the component arms race has gotten out of hand. HOSS? How did we ever off-road and have fun with leaf springs and knackered shocks?
New wheels & tires will be $2,500 or so. If a 2” lift is needed for clearance that’s another $2,100 for the factory Ford lift. Install probably another $5-600 to maintain the factory warranty. Now granted, cheaper options exist. Other manufacturers for coil over kits will be $1,000 or less. Or really cheap spacer / hockey puck options are abound often called “budget boosts” for $100 in parts and another $1-200 to install.
You’re still about $3-5k in depending on specifics chosen. And that’s lift and tires only. No regearing, beefier front axles, lockers, etc are included.
While I may not need all that extra crap, if I’m paying the same or near same money I’d rather have it. At the least it gives me more options and ability if my desire, skills and interests change.
Each to their own on determining what they do or don’t need. I was just offering some perspective.
https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-18000-B1
https://www.stage3motorsports.com/m...r-ford-performance-2in-coilover-lift-kit.html
https://www.roughcountry.com/product/ford-lift-kit-40400
https://www.roughcountry.com/product/configurable/ford-bronco-lift-kit-591141
If you ever have a chance to go-fast across a desert landscape, you'll understand. Those 2' whoops find the limit of your suspenion really fast; then, wait till you hit 3'ers...........
Honestly I feel like the component arms race has gotten out of hand. HOSS? How did we ever off-road and have fun with leaf springs and knackered shocks?
There is a reason why the release video was mostly in Johnson Valley.
You can easily find take-off Sas tires/wheels/Bilstein's for less than $2500 here. .6" is all that's needed for clearance, however the Sas package gives you 1.1" of lift.
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Barely used takeoffs would be a good way to possibly save some bucks. I honestly haven’t looked here or elsewhere for used stuff so can’t comment on pricing.
I would still caution about going to 35’s from 32’s. That’s a large diameter and weight jump. IMO you need gearing changes.
I test drove a BL SAS (35’s and 4.7 gears) then drove a BL w/o SAS (33’s and 4.27 gears). Both had the 2.7V6 with 10-speed auto. SAS had < 20 miles and non-SAS had about 750 miles. Even with gearing, SAS felt less responsive and “zippy” than the non-SAS. Without the gearing change there would have been more of a difference.
I was a little shocked honestly as I thought Ford would have gotten it closer. The other possibility is maybe the non-SAS engine was broke in better. Not really sure. Just the difference was pretty large IMO.
Nearly all the Broncos with stock rims and tires are effectively geared the same with the exception of the manual transmission models. The 4.27 in the OBX is effectively the same as the 4.46 Badlands non-sasquatch which is nearly the same as the sasquatch package 4.7 Badlands. Just look at the gearing spreadsheet.
Can I tell the difference between the 4.27 gears on 32" OBX stock rims/tires versus the 4.27 with 33.5" M/T's. Yes, there is a difference, but it's not like it's holding me back in any significant way in an off-road environment. I still have plenty of power, and if I am in 4 low, I definitely don't need any more gearing.
4.7 is 5% more gear than 4.46, and 10% more gear than 4.27 gears. It's almost insignificant when you are in 4L and 1st gear. What's the difference at redline 4.5 mph vs 5 mph? It works out to something like 200-400 rpm.
Problem is that many people are paying for and selling their sasquatch rims and tires for $1000 to $1500; then spending $2500+ on new rims and tires anyway.
Many of them are also pulling out the sasquatch suspension and selling that for $500 or less (I got mine for $300 plus shipping). Then they are typically purchasing another $2000 to $5000+ on a new suspension.
Basically, best case, getting $1500-$2000, for a $5000+ package... Best case, leaving them with a $3000 locking front axle and 4.7 gears on non-sasquatch non-Badlands, not exactly high value for some people. It's even worse on the Badlands where one spent $3000 for a 5% difference in gearing!
The economics are there if you don't plan on upgrading... Otherwise, a non-sasquatch Badlands is the smarter play.
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There is a lot of variance in lockers and gearing on lower models, with most lacking unless you spruce for SAS. However, I agree that it doesn’t make much sense to dismantle, sell for 50 cents on the dollar and then buy new stuff for even more money.
If you’re going to do that then a BD that comes with rear lockers as standard equipment would at least give you that. And jumping from a lower package to BD is less money than SAS. Also if you get with black steelies, no wasted money on aftermarket wheel upgrades.
SAS on BL confuses me honestly. It seems to offer the least bang for the buck there. I’m looking at 2.7 auto so for me, it would give 4.7’s and 35’s for about $3k. That’s not a horrible deal if you like the wheels. What still stumps me is my test drive with BL SAS seemed more sluggish than BL non-SAS. Normal driving, not 4L and slow.
Base & BB
No front or rear lockers and only way to get is with SAS.
Base
Only available with auto and 3.73’s. No options for other gears unless you get SAS.
BB
Has 7-speed manual with 4.46’s but auto is default 3.73; however, for $795 you can get 4.27’s. SAS gets 4.7’s for either.
BD
Has 4.46’s regardless of transmission and includes rear lockers as standard equipment. No options for front locker w/o SAS.
OBX
Like Base, auto only and 3.73’s default. No front or rear lockers. But there is a $795 option for 4.27 gears (hopefully OP added this since they may add bigger wheels/tires later). SAS gives 4.7’s and both front & rear lockers.
BL
Comes standard with front & rear lockers, and front sway bar disconnect. Raptor is the only other model that has the disconnect. 7-speed MT has 4.7’s and auto has 4.46’s. Also has HOSS 2.0 suspension (lower models have HOSS 1.0). SAS upgrades auto to 4.7’s. There doesn’t seem to be benefit for lockers they are already included. And SAS has HOSS 2.0 high clearance suspension although it’s not clear how much higher than stock 2.0.
The Bilstein shocks on the SAS BLs give you a half inch more lift, at the expense of losing a half inch of travel, over the Bilstein shocks on the nonSAS BLs. You left off the Heritage Edition which is now the budget Sasquatch Bronco. The Base has been discontinued.
LOL sounds like they are using spacers to get the extra 1/2”. It’s only 1/2” but for those that wheel this blows. You want the lift and travel as you know.
The best price hack WAS on the 21-23 OBX advanced 4x4 (~$1600) and came with the 4.27 rear locker.
The Badlands (non-sasquatch) has about a 0.65" lift over stock, just about 1/2 the lift of Sasquatch, but with more articulation due to the shorter bump stop. This is the suspension I run on my OBX.
Before Badlands HOSS 2.0
After Badlands HOSS 2.0
Side by side on factory OBX wheels/tires.
Hopefully that helps show the difference.
