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Second Thoughts on Manual Transmission

Lakelife36

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You have to pump the clutch three times to engage C (crawler mode). Just think of C as the third letter of the alphabet, best way to remember this.


















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I'm hoping that you can start in C without clutching.
Surely with a momentary switch and a few feet of wire this could be accomplished :geek:
 

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Is it fun enough to get worse mpg and a slower truck?
Not talking about the 6 either

The slushbox 4 will be faster and more efficient than the manual

Sure shifting is fun, but if you can't do it better than the machine then what's the point? None of us can shift better than the machine anymore
This isn't to target you, but I've heard this argument before and it irks me greatly because I think it's a misunderstanding about what is fun.

I see the lights turn green and people just sit there daydreaming for half the length of the light. There's no way 90% of people need the quickest 0-60, fastest-shifting, automatic.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Automatics, in my opinion, are the cause of much of the traffic we see in the US, whether it's bumper to bumper traffic or city congestion. Next time you're in the car, or walking around your city or town, if you look around and pay attention, you will see people at stop lights not being engaged. Not seeing lights turn green. Or when you're in bumper to bumper traffic and the traffic is moving in your lane but the car in front of you is just sitting there. Same goes for rubbernecking. People are so un-engaged and bored with their commute that any sort of sensational event like a fender bender on the other side of the highway will distract people.

I currently drive a Mazda 3 6MT. It's got a weak 2.5l NA which peaks out at 184hp. I'm always the first off the line. And in my past life, i.e. pre-pandemic, I would routinely pass high hp, luxury and supercars.

So, to answer your question, yes, a MT is more fun and more engaging than a fast shifting automatic.

On a similar note, one reason why automatics are now more efficient is because they now have more gears. If automakers were willing to engineer 8 gear manuals, those would also have as good mileage. But they don't think people would want to row so many gears themselves. It's the same thing they said when going from 3 and 4 speed transmissions to 5 and then 6 speeds.

Ultimately, to each their own. If an auto is what you want, go for it. But you better use that fast shifting and extra hp while in front of me. lol

Sorry for the rant.
 

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I don't think those wanting manuals are hurting their bottom line at all, so unless you're about to start a company, the manufacturer is right. ;)
 

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See the reasoning doesn't make sense. They say they don't have a stick that can handle the power but then they go get an auto from Tremec which means they didn't have an auto for that amount of power either. And It's going to be a DCT.
They truly should just be honest about it.
BTW Tremec supplies the 6-speed manual for the Dodge Hellcats.
https://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/muscle-with-challenger-srt-hellcat-redeye/
 

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Manual vs automatic is just a preference.

Like ordering your steak whole on a plate with a knife and a fork, or ordering it blended in a glass with a straw

Why would I go through all the work of cutting it up and chewing when a machine can do it for me so much better

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Yeah I'm pretty upset that ford went that route... at the very least if you're only going to offer one engine give us the 2.7... Upselling an engine is easy, especially when there are endless benefits to the V6

That post was purely for laughs/to get a rise out of the people without a sense of humor
 

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Is it fun enough to get worse mpg and a slower truck?
Not talking about the 6 either

The slushbox 4 will be faster and more efficient than the manual

Sure shifting is fun, but if you can't do it better than the machine then what's the point? None of us can shift better than the machine anymore
Shifting a manual transmission is not about the speed of the shift but rather the timing of the shift. No automatic can ANTICIPATE when to shift based on traffic conditions and what is in the mind of the driver. A hydraulic torque converter can only shift so fast because there are changes in fluid pressures that can't be compensated for by solenoid timing. The automatics that can actually "shift faster" to gain track speed advantage over a human/manual set up are not ordinary torque converter automatics, but rather DCT transmissions that are actually a manual transmission in gearbox design with dual clutched input shafts to speed shifting. That is not the 10-speed in the New Bronco.

In 99.99% of the time for street or trail riding, a few milliseconds of increased shift speed doesn't really matter. MPG gains are slight and achievable in EPA testing (which is what the transmission is programmed to achieve). In actual real driving, the MPG gains are insignificant and highly variable based on how the vehicle is driven.

We manual purists discount any of the proclaimed advantages of a modern computer-controlled torque converter automatic, because none of those perceived gains counteract our desire to shift the transmission when we want to based on our interaction with traffic conditions.
 

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I loved driving my 1994 Ranger 4x4 with the 5 speed and my 72 Bronco with the AX-15 conversion but I'm starting to think that with the manual in the new Bronco I will be missing out on some cool new 4x4 technology like trail turn assist and one pedal driving. The 2.7 with auto is starting to pull at me. Thoughts...
Trail Turn assist and 2.7L for sure, but One Pedal Driving just makes up for not having the control of a clutch and manual transmission in my eyes. It makes getting the automatic and OK-ish compromise...
 

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Own three manuals right now, two sports cars and a pickup. The manual truck would be okay if it was the only manual I drove, but it is just super clunky compared to my cars. I would make do if you could get the 2.7 with a manual, but being forced into the smaller engine put me over the edge with the Bronco, so I will b ordering an automatic.
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