Bronco

[mcinfantry]

All modern vehicles have data recorders that record data up to an impact. When you take the vehicle to Ford they should be able to retrieve the data of Throttle, Brake, Clutch and Gear positions for a period of 30 seconds prior to impact. That would tell the story of what happened.

Correct
ONLY if the system recorded it
Not all events are recorded on the EDR

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[Arrowbear Rider]

Why do you think your ass stopped working due to low battery charge?

I find it extremely unlikely that your new battery would be drained due to ass usage. A hot engine takes very little to start it back up.

It was the opposite, the A.S.S. was not functioning due to too little battery recharge, I was driving too short of a distance between the engine shut downs and the voltage dropped. I had been driving under a mile, thru a residential area and parking; then starting and driving home at night with lights on and parking. Driving less than a mile both ways at too low of speed to fully recharge the battery and with the lights on too... this happened over and over again daily through out the week until the battery got too low, and then the A.S.S. disengages itself.

Then, when I left the community and I got to a stop light, the battery was too low and the A.S.S. was off and that's when I saw that it was turned off by the system. The battery never recharged enough and over multiple starts the voltage dropped and THEN the A.S.S. stops working. I just happen to experienced a low voltage A.S.S. disengagement both on & off road, so I was familiar with both occurrences and how they feel.

The charging system doesn't need a big drop in voltage to shut things down to protect your battery and the ability to restart, just look at how, on a hot or cold day, your HVAC operation coincides with your A.S.S... The A.S.S. shuts down with several restarts left on the battery, to preserve the battery.

If you look through your dash's menu there is a place that shows when a function is turned off by the system or if all is operating normal.

 

[FloridaBurgBronco]

UPDATE***SO THERE WAS A POWERTRAIN MALFUNCTION CODE I FOUND A FEW DAYS LATER THAT HAPPENED JUST BEFORE THE INCIDENT, THE TRUCK IS AT FORD NOW, SO I WILL DO A FOLLOW UP VIDEO WITH MORE ANSWERS ONCE I HAVE THEM***

 

[Bmadda]

We shouldn’t have to do it. Ford needs to rethink having vacuum boosted brakes on a turbocharged vehicle (just dumb). The V6 already has electric boosted brakes.

The electric boost is WAY worse! One popped fuse and you have no rear brakes at all, and unboosted fronts! Two feet won't stop you on flat pavement! I have experienced that, and YIKES!

 

[harpo]

I think the only thing you could have done to safely get through it was:
1) dump the clutch (assuming trans still in gear...any gear)
2) put both feet on brake pedal and squeeze down as hard as you could
3) set Ebrake
4) apply clutch and restart engine
5) put in neutral, making sure the Ebrake would hold you on that hill
6) hop out and close the hood because you popped it in a panic reaching for the Ebrake.

When you think about it that's quite a checklist in a high stress situation! Or like I said earlier, if you had been allowed to restart your engine, you would have regained control. I see this as a software flaw! I just played around w/crank in gear in the driveway to see how well I could use it, and it's SO WONKY. If you step on the clutch, the dialog box on the dash disappears, it reappears if you release the clutch, you have to scroll down to select "yes", then hold the brake pedal, and hold the start button. If you hold the brake too hard it cant start, if you release to early it says "crank in gear cancelled" and doesn't allow you to try again. This would be too difficult for me in a stressful situation I think! I do love my 6g Bronco, but I think the software REALLY needs work!

I played around with the crank in gear the past days too. Pretty much the exact same experience as you on the first day. The second day I got more comfortable with it but even then wasn't sure I would ever actually use it.

What I thought was really terrible was you have to stall it to use it.

Plus I hadn't realized that in 4l it does not automatically restart when you push in the clutch.

The automatic restart really screwed me up initially. I'd accidentally stall in 2h, push in the clutch then push the start button which turned it off.

 

[FloridaBurgBronco]

I played around with the crank in gear the past days too. Pretty much the exact same experience as you on the first day. The second day I got more comfortable with it but even then wasn't sure I would ever actually use it.

What I thought was really terrible was you have to stall it to use it.

Plus I hadn't realized that in 4l it does not automatically restart when you push in the clutch.

The automatic restart really screwed me up initially. I'd accidentally stall in 2h, push in the clutch then push the start button which turned it off.

Yeah, I want to go through some actions and scenarios once I get it back. I did comfirm what another said that you can't pop clutch start a 6G Bronco, how disappointing. I can't remember now, but I believe I have auto started in 4L, but I could be wrong. Because I have stalled it a few times here and there. I'm not expert at off roading, but I'm not a novice either, but I still occasionally have clutch/gas inputs errors that I have to correct.

 

[harpo]

Yeah, I want to go through some actions and scenarios once I get it back. I did comfirm what another said that you can't pop clutch start a 6G Bronco, how disappointing. I can't remember now, but I believe I have auto started in 4L, but I could be wrong. Because I have stalled it a few times here and there. I'm not expert at off roading, but I'm not a novice either, but I still occasionally have clutch/gas inputs errors that I have to correct.

I thought I had auto started in 4l too and didn't understand why it wasn't working when I was playing with 4l the other day.

So I looked at the manual... The manual told me when you put it in 4l it automatically turns off the ass.

 

[FloridaBurgBronco]

I thought I had auto started in 4l too and didn't understand why it wasn't working when I was playing with 4l the other day.

So I looked at the manual... The manual told me when you put it in 4l it automatically turns off the ass.

Yeah I have no idea now that I haven't driven it in almost a month. I can't remember all the particulars.

 

[Bmadda]

I thought I had auto started in 4l too and didn't understand why it wasn't working when I was playing with 4l the other day.

So I looked at the manual... The manual told me when you put it in 4l it automatically turns off the ass.

I have had mine over a year, and have wheeled quite a bit in 4L, and I WOULD SWEAR, it has restarted in 4L when I pushed the clutch, but now I can't seem to duplicate that! Maybe I imagined it? All this automation has a negative effect on the driver sometimes!

 

[harpo]

I have had mine over a year, and have wheeled quite a bit in 4L, and I WOULD SWEAR, it has restarted in 4L when I pushed the clutch, but now I can't seem to duplicate that! Maybe I imagined it? All this automation has a negative effect on the driver sometimes!

I think it's the antistall function. We think we stalled because in an old school rig it would have stalled, but the anti stall kicks in at the same time we are pushing in the clutch so we think it restarted but it never really stalled.

 

[Bmadda]

I think it's the antistall function. We think we stalled because in an old school rig it would have stalled, but the anti stall kicks in at the same time we are pushing in the clutch so we think it restarted but it never really stalled.

How does "antistall" function work? Is that actually a thing?

 

[harpo]

How does "antistall" function work? Is that actually a thing?

The bronco will automatically add throttle. Sit in your bronco and with your foot lightly on the brake let out the clutch slowly and watch the tack. The tack will go up without you touching the gas.

I really don't like it in stop and go situations. I'll be lugging along and the computer will gas it when I don't want it gassed...

So it goes.

 

[JBlanco]

I'm just going to add... F*cking computers. They are great until they aren't and then there is little you can do about it. Look at Tesla's autopilot.

As usual, abusing a system will create problems. Tesla "autopilot" works pretty well if used properly, I recently drove a little over 700 miles without issues and arrived relax because it took most of the stress out of the drive. Of course, If I had crawled into the back seat and had fallen asleep, it was very likely that I had crashed. That's mostly what you see in the news.

Prior to the Bronco, my JK Wrangler was still full of computers and it never rolled backwards while losing brakes when off-roading. I understand the Bronco is a brand new vehicle and Ford hasn't produced a convertible off-roader in a minute or two but this seems like a manufacturing issue.

 

[Dads_bronze_bronco]

@FloridaBurgBronco - ever figure out what happened? Curious for a follow-up on resolution?

 

[FloridaBurgBronco]

@FloridaBurgBronco - ever figure out what happened? Curious for a follow-up on resolution?

It's still in process with Ford. Been there since the 20th. There are several levels it has to go through, looking to have a Ford Field Service Engineer look at it next. I suspect, based on what I've been told, it will be a few more weeks.

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