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Points are well taken.
I'm still gonna stick it out for a little longer.
I like having the washer defroster installed rather than a add on.
I like having 1 solid top over my head. Granted the 1 removable piece looks pretty solid..
My 88 Eddie Bauer bronco s fiberglass top never leaked. The noise throughout the vehicle was worse than the 2021 soft top.
I gotta believe adv is gonna eventually come through. They might increase their warranty coverage to match the competition.
HOWEVER, I am anxiously watching the tor site and waiting for actual customer reviews.
I assume tor will send out a install video .
Hopefully adv will also. Hopefully they will also put out some info , I still can't believe not 1 top isn't ready to be shipped.
Bronconamedfiona should be one of the first. 20 minutes before me ordering

NOTHING LIKE SITTING ON A FENCE.lol
Time will tell what I do.
I'd think TOR's top would barely require an install video (though I'm sure one is coming soon), seeing as there is basically no assembly.
Which is basically another selling point in my book (fewer leak/wind noise possibilities).
I'm anxiously awaiting the first TOR customer pickup
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Points are well taken.
I'm still gonna stick it out for a little longer.
I like having the washer defroster installed rather than a add on.
I like having 1 solid top over my head. Granted the 1 removable piece looks pretty solid..
My 88 Eddie Bauer bronco s fiberglass top never leaked. The noise throughout the vehicle was worse than the 2021 soft top.
I gotta believe adv is gonna eventually come through. They might increase their warranty coverage to match the competition.
HOWEVER, I am anxiously watching the tor site and waiting for actual customer reviews.
I assume tor will send out a install video .
Hopefully adv will also. Hopefully they will also put out some info , I still can't believe not 1 top isn't ready to be shipped.
Bronconamedfiona should be one of the first. 20 minutes before me ordering

NOTHING LIKE SITTING ON A FENCE.lol
Time will tell what I do.
For me, it's the concern that I'll have waited as long as I have (not as long as others, since I'm in batch 2), bail, and then tracking numbers will be sent out the next day. If I cancel, I pretty much know that will happen.

But I am pretty confident I will if nothing happens in January. At that point, there will have been way too many missed milestones without any end in sight to hold on. And I'll feel really sorry for all of it.
 

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For me, it's the concern that I'll have waited as long as I have (not as long as others, since I'm in batch 2), bail, and then tracking numbers will be sent out the next day. If I cancel, I pretty much know that will happen.

But I am pretty confident I will if nothing happens in January. At that point, there will have been way too many missed milestones without any end in sight to hold on. And I'll feel really sorry for all of it.

 

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For me, it's the concern that I'll have waited as long as I have (not as long as others, since I'm in batch 2), bail, and then tracking numbers will be sent out the next day. If I cancel, I pretty much know that will happen.

But I am pretty confident I will if nothing happens in January. At that point, there will have been way too many missed milestones without any end in sight to hold on. And I'll feel really sorry for all of it.
I've had that worry/feeling too, but putting $2K back in my pocket helps
 

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For me, it's the concern that I'll have waited as long as I have (not as long as others, since I'm in batch 2), bail, and then tracking numbers will be sent out the next day. If I cancel, I pretty much know that will happen.

But I am pretty confident I will if nothing happens in January. At that point, there will have been way too many missed milestones without any end in sight to hold on. And I'll feel really sorry for all of it.
Yeah, if the Batch 1 group gets delayed (or certainly my Batch 2), that probably will be it, even without a firm date for TOR's "white top group" beyond an estimate of roughly March/April. A firmer date from TOR on the white tops might seal the deal regardless, but if they knew it I'm confident they would socialize it.
 

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Yeah, if the Batch 1 group gets delayed (or certainly my Batch 2), that probably will be it, even without a firm date for TOR's "white top group" beyond an estimate of roughly March/April. A firmer date from TOR on the white tops might seal the deal regardless, but if they knew it I'm confident they would socialize it.
Looks like May for white.
 

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Yeah, if the Batch 1 group gets delayed (or certainly my Batch 2), that probably will be it, even without a firm date for TOR's "white top group" beyond an estimate of roughly March/April. A firmer date from TOR on the white tops might seal the deal regardless, but if they knew it I'm confident they would socialize it.
Wasn't Batch 1 supposed to be "Mid-January" and now it's "Mid-January to February?" Seems like what ADV just said in the latest post about this versus what we saw in the video is different.
 

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Wasn't Batch 1 supposed to be "Mid-January" and now it's "Mid-January to February?" Seems like what ADV just said in the latest post about this versus what we saw in the video is different.
I think they said they'd start going out in mid-Jan through mid-Feb, but yeah, if they're already pushing it back to "late Jan", it does imply it could delay Batch 2.
 

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I think they said they'd start going out in mid-Jan through mid-Feb, but yeah, if they're already pushing it back to "late Jan", it does imply it could delay Batch 2.
Yeah, so I watched the video again and he said "Mid January" for Batch 1. Who knows what was actually meant to be communicated, but I think it's clear now that details are important, especialllllllly when communication has already been an issue.
 

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Yeah, so I watched the video again and he said "Mid January" for Batch 1. Who knows what was actually meant to be communicated, but I think it's clear now that details are important, especialllllllly when communication has already been an issue.
I meant to say they said they said they would be delivering Batch 1 from mid-Jan to mid-Feb, you are right they said originally that would START in mid-Jan, and that does appear to have slipped.

At least it looks fairly clear one or both will be delivering white tops in the spring (sometime). I'd like to swing by Armadillo to see how that's going as well - it's definitely a very different take on the standard concept.
 

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ADV has done a lot of videos, one did talk about install I believe. I remember the one about how their sections screw together, didn't think much of it. Now I believe you have to bolt the sides to the top. I question how strong that connection will be. The TOR top looks it's built like a tank but it's 2 big pieces. Rally has a video where you can see their front piece in the cargo area with half of the rear seat folded down. Rally also looks like it would be the easiest to remove the snow from the top. Rally top in tan? The Eddie Bauer look.
 

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At least it looks fairly clear one or both will be delivering white tops in the spring (sometime). I'd like to swing by Armadillo to see how that's going as well - it's definitely a very different take on the standard concept.
Armadillo has been giving updates, they now have the rear glass for their tops and will begin the final test updates and prepare for delivery. Fun times!
 
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Really disappointed to be writing this update, but I can't say I'm surprised.

Having ordered within the first 10 minutes, I've decided that if the top does not ship out by the end of this month, then I will [finally] be requesting a full refund. I can't justify paying this much for a hardtop from a company that has strung me along for 2 years when other companies are now producing and shipping quality hardtops.

I reached out to ADV today to get an update on my order and was told "Our original anticipation was for Batch 1 to begin shipping between Mid-January to Mid-February. Currently, early Batch 1 hardtops will begin shipping at the end of January into early February, just as yours will."

Looks like there's a good chance we'll end up cancelling... I've put myself on the waiting list for the TOR hardtop and looking forward to open and honest communication from TOR.
 
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ADV has done a lot of videos, one did talk about install I believe. I remember the one about how their sections screw together, didn't think much of it. Now I believe you have to bolt the sides to the top. I question how strong that connection will be. The TOR top looks it's built like a tank but it's 2 big pieces. Rally has a video where you can see their front piece in the cargo area with half of the rear seat folded down. Rally also looks like it would be the easiest to remove the snow from the top. Rally top in tan? The Eddie Bauer look.
I asked ADV for a link to their installation video and they said it wasn't available yet.
 

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Really disappointed to be writing this update, but I can't say I'm surprised.

Having ordered within the first 10 minutes, I've decided that if the top does not ship out by the end of this month, then I will [finally] be requesting a full refund. I can't justify paying this much for a hardtop from a company that has strung me along for 2 years when other companies are now producing and shipping quality hardtops.

I reached out to ADV today to get an update on my order and was told "Our original anticipation was for Batch 1 to begin shipping between Mid-January to Mid-February. Currently, early Batch 1 hardtops will begin shipping at the end of January into early February, just as yours will."

Looks like there's a good chance we I'll end up cancelling... I've put myself on the waiting list for the TOR hardtop and looking forward to open and honest communication from TOR.
PAR for the course..
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