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This hit me hard. I can only offer prayers for peace for your family. And my deepest sympathy.

When does it shift from "normal delays" to outright deceit? Is the product being marketed in good faith? Especially to those more recently jumping in the waiting game. I know what it looks like to me.

At this point, ADV is being dishonest and deceptive in their ads to deliver the tops in 12-16 weeks. Not even 12-16 months is accurate. Seems like a line is being crossed.

In this very thread there is information indicating ADV proprietors are spinning up a new company. Source of funding could be an interesting question.

Very good points, all. However, if they are not acting in good faith, it's a much different discussion and seems to amount to fraud.

Taken in totality, it is highly suspicious. That, and recently in this thread someone posted what looked like ADV warming the engines on a rebrand of some kind - Glassworks Unlimited 3.0, maybe? There is simply no way ADV is this unlucky. It is starting to stink of a different odor.

Extending my heartfelt sympathies. Truly sorry for your loss.

I am super-bummed - and even moreso amazed - how ADV let this get away from them. They had a chance to kick the door in on the market given the lack of options available when this thread began - years ago(!). Now the market has not only caught up, it has passed them by. The Delivery Iron...

I'll be watching you!!

I do wonder if it's order minimums holding things up.

Man. Talk about losing control of the message. Yeesh.

No tops shipped by ADV. Continued delays. In mid-November 2023, they sent emails with the delivery plan (Batch 1, 2, or 3), and promised updates every 30 days thereafter. It's been 60+ days since and radio silence.

With so many milestones missed - and not much to restore faith in any kind of timeline - I finally decided to cancel my order. I did receive a full refund, promptly. Very disappointing.

I have been, and remain, curious about why Beta Testers haven't been posting testimonials. ADV is taking a beating on this thread - a positive review would go miles to helping alleviate concern. Hell *any review* to show it's real. Why has there so little of that for these last several months...

Did you get an email from ADV with that update?

For me, it's the concern that I'll have waited as long as I have (not as long as others, since I'm in batch 2), bail, and then tracking numbers will be sent out the next day. If I cancel, I pretty much know that will happen. But I am pretty confident I will if nothing happens in January. At...

I appreciate your post and the details in it. It is the kind of thing that ADV needs to socialize better - that, and more transparency about production delays and sourcing. Also, I think getting more beta testers to provide some testimonials like yours. It's basically been dead air since early...

Right now, it's all a fart in the wind. The latest email promised updates every 30 days; now a new excuse: "because holidays". Yesterday? Today? This week? It's a really really bad look and may overcome sentiment even if the thing is perfect. This is exactly what you don't do to paying customers.

Today is the 30th day from the last email, which promised an update at least every 30 days to provide an update on progress. Still hopeful....

I got email; batch 2.