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Ford has to balance fuel economy (CAFE) and emissions for all vehicles produced at the factory. They can sell a performance tune for those customers who care less about such things without hurting their fleet numbers. Blame the state and federal governments, particularly California.
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Ford has to balance fuel economy (CAFE) and emissions for all vehicles produced at the factory. They can sell a performance tune for those customers who care less about such things without hurting their fleet numbers. Blame the state and federal governments, particularly California.
That makes sense now. Wondering if a full electric Bronco, maintaining the same form factor, departure angles, etc., would be both much more powerful, energy efficient and cheaper to produce and maintain? I don´t care for the politics debate of electric vs. gas, really, I am just genuinely wondering if that would be the case.

I paid $66,000 for my 2 door Bronco Badlands 2025, 2-3 Ecoboost, with marine vinyl seats. I like the car a lot, it is what i wanted, but it seems like a lot of money for an engine that needs premium fuel only and maybe for having to install the protune package...
 

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Wondering if a full electric Bronco, maintaining the same form factor, departure angles, etc., would be both much more powerful, energy efficient and cheaper to produce and maintain?
Really depends on how much battery capacity (range) you want, and that will greatly affect the weight (for the worse) and center of gravity (for the better)
 

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Got you. Wondering when they will come up with portable battery packs for EV´s, to use in place of the jerry cans... They can´t be much more hazardous to carry, or can they...🧯
 

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That makes sense now. Wondering if a full electric Bronco, maintaining the same form factor, departure angles, etc., would be both much more powerful, energy efficient and cheaper to produce and maintain? I don´t care for the politics debate of electric vs. gas, really, I am just genuinely wondering if that would be the case.

I paid $66,000 for my 2 door Bronco Badlands 2025, 2-3 Ecoboost, with marine vinyl seats. I like the car a lot, it is what i wanted, but it seems like a lot of money for an engine that needs premium fuel only and maybe for having to install the protune package...
Bronco is already on the heavy side at 5000lbs. Going fully electric would push it well over 6000lbs. I'm sure the power and torque of the motor(s) would overcome the weight issue in regards to acceleration but these they will feel like driving tanks on the roads and the range will likely be poor without changing the aerodynamics.
 

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Bronco is already on the heavy side at 5000lbs. Going fully electric would push it well over 6000lbs. I'm sure the power and torque of the motor(s) would overcome the weight issue in regards to acceleration but these they will feel like driving tanks on the roads and the range will likely be poor without changing the aerodynamics.
I hear you, we would have to see what is the weight difference. My driving range with the 16.9 gallon tank at 17 miles is less than 289 miles.
 

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they dont seem to care too much about weight with EV's (or cant mitigate it, which is probable more like it since the battery packs are so heavy). Take the Hummer EV for example. 9000 lbs.....
 

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true. To reference the Hummer again, the battery pack alone weighs about 3,000 lbs
 
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they dont seem to care too much about weight with EV's (or cant mitigate it, which is probable more like it since the battery packs are so heavy). Take the Hummer EV for example. 9000 lbs.....
I tend to agree with you. No matter if it is electric or gas or diesel, there is an inherent inefficiency in our car industry. They are interested in upselling, marketing bigger heavier cars that need more energy and maintenance. Call me a sucker, :crazy: for my love of SUVs (I had 3 Gwagens, 2 Rubicons, one old style D90 and now my sparkling new 2 door Badlands, lol, it kinds of shows you how the economy is going), but i do recognize that we have been marketed these products relentlessly and we happily have bought into them. That is why the Suzuki Jimny kind of product will never enter our market.
Now, becoming a little wiser, but not by much, i am off the opinion that less is more, and no, i am not getting dragged into the political debate. Just give me the numbers with no analysis, give me the rules with no ideology. It is what it is.
 

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Got you. Wondering when they will come up with portable battery packs for EV´s, to use in place of the jerry cans... They can´t be much more hazardous to carry, or can they...🧯
It’s called a portable generator that you bring with you.
 

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Close enough, i guess.
 

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Have you seen how Scout is solving this problem? I think that's the answer.
https://insideevs.com/news/750832/scout-range-extender-details-revealed/
Very interesting. I was envisioning something like a portable battery tube (like the ones in electric bikes) that you could carry in the car, charged or charging, and that you could swap at charging stations to have for an emergency (kind of like your jerry cans) and that would give you 10,20,50 miles, enough to get to a plug.
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