Manual transmission drivers - does shifting linkage get smoother with use?

[crzyhawk]

Honest question: Why would someone want a short(er) throw shifter on a Bronco? Seems counter-intuitive... like putting a longer throw on your Mustang GT...

Why on earth would you ever NOT want a shorter throw?

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[crzyhawk]

To me, the OEM shifter has a pretty short throw compared to some other vehicles I have driven. It drives like a somewhat large, tall, sports car. Except on corners, where it feels weird. I think it might be the sidewall threads on the Goodyear Goodyear Territory RTs.

Perhaps my view is warped by driving a Mustang with a Barton short throw in it for almost 15 years, but there's nothing short about this shifter. It's short compared to the 4 speed in the 72 Wagoneer I had in high school, but that's a pretty short bar. This shift feels long to me, probably about the same as the stocker in my Mustang did.

 

[Q1svt]

I too replaced my OEM knob with an aftermarket Twisted Shifter round one. It's great. I don't have an issue shifting,

But it will feel even better with an AL lock out. Lol

leather is for show but nice tooooo

Our rigs are very close less SAS 32/35”. Thought you might like

 

[EasternSierra]

Perhaps my view is warped by driving a Mustang with a Barton short throw in it for almost 15 years, but there's nothing short about this shifter. It's short compared to the 4 speed in the 72 Wagoneer I had in high school, but that's a pretty short bar. This shift feels long to me, probably about the same as the stocker in my Mustang did.

It sure feels short to me after driving pickup truck manuals most of my adult life. I miss that familiar feel!

 

[SHANUT]

To me, the OEM shifter has a pretty short throw compared to some other vehicles I have driven. It drives like a somewhat large, tall, sports car. Except on corners, where it feels weird. I think it might be the sidewall threads on the Goodyear Goodyear Territory RTs.

It’s short compared to a full-size old-school truck but compared to our 2018 Mustang GT and our 1983 Ford Ranger with a Mustang GT engine and T5 installed in it, it’s got a longer throw. But ours is nice and smooth regardless.

 

[Q1svt]

It’s short compared to a full-size old-school truck but compared to our 2018 Mustang GT and our 1983 Ford Ranger with a Mustang GT engine and T5 installed in it, it’s got a longer throw. But ours is nice and smooth regardless.

A T5 shifter inserts into the transmission… Other styles (cables / rods) will never be as short or fast.

 

[DALOLA]

Why on earth would you ever NOT want a shorter throw?

Is there some advantage to shifting faster in a Bronco? Are people racing these things??

 

[crzyhawk]

Is there some advantage to shifting faster in a Bronco? Are people racing these things??

When you change gears, you're often doing it because you want torque, and you want it ASAP. Racing need not apply, the shifter is there for torque management.

 

[Brian_B]

When you change gears, you're often doing it because you want torque, and you want it ASAP. Racing need not apply, the shifter is there for torque management.

I gotta say, I've never been in that situation. Sure, there are times I'd like a bit more torque, but never in a position where I didn't have time to just take it easy. Slow is fast, or whatever it is that jarheads say.

Maybe if you are mud or sand running and need to keep momentum and wheel speed up, maybe.

 

[crzyhawk]

I gotta say, I've never been in that situation. Sure, there are times I'd like a bit more torque, but never in a position where I didn't have time to just take it easy. Slow is fast, or whatever it is that jarheads say.

Maybe if you are mud or sand running and need to keep momentum and wheel speed up, maybe.

Still no reason why a shorter throw would ever be a bad thing.

 

[Q1svt]

When you change gears, you're often doing it because you want torque, and you want it ASAP. Racing need not apply, the shifter is there for torque management.

... a 2.3l has a wide Torque Band... 2200-3600 RPM... four cylinder motors like need higher RPM's ...

The MT88 doesn't need fast shifts, it doesn't like fast shifts aka one-thousand-one, or one-mississippi ... gives the syncs/gears time... and the RPM's should still be in the torque range about a 1000 rpms lower

So unless you're a short shifter - there is plenty of Torque in the engine alone... add the MT88 gearing and it's endless

ASAP ??? when why

 

[crzyhawk]

Because you suddenly/unexpectedly fell out of the torque band that you wanted to be in because you didn't want to be moving any faster than you are. I've downshifted it very quickly, and the transmission loves it. Sure, you can always shift it slow, but sometimes you just don't want to have to reset, use the brake, etc. Just snap the quick downshift and move on with your day.

 

[Bronco21Maybe]

It sure feels short to me after driving pickup truck manuals most of my adult life. I miss that familiar feel!

Yeah, I had an '89 Chevy stepside with a 5 speed and the shifter was about two feet tall, lol. Of course, there was no center floor console, and the transmission hump was a bit lower.

 

[DALOLA]

When you change gears, you're often doing it because you want torque, and you want it ASAP. Racing need not apply, the shifter is there for torque management.

lol... given the torque profile on an FI engine, and an off-road focused vehicle, you're really reaching there...no pun intended...

I'll stick with my original analogy, until I hear a better suggestion.

 

[crzyhawk]

You can stick with it, when is a longer shift going to benefit, or a shorter one going to hurt? until you can answer how it makes things worse, analogy is bad.

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