Mike Levine saying outright he does NOT care about Granger/Chapman/SAC

[BlueBronco]

Not reading through 30 pages but the reality is nobody here knows the whole allocation story, nobody. And I fully expect this next point to get lost in this thread as it continues to spiral its way out of control and into a virtual riot. Yes, we know the formula has changed, we know the "first run of production" allocations and we know that Mike L must be, has to be, the villain to our protagonist. But what else do we know? How long is that "first run of production?" What capacity of production will MAP be running at? How long does MAP take to ramp up production when starting a new MY?

The truth is, we don't know what we don't know. We have only just begun to read chapter 1 of the MY22 saga and everyone thinks they got the ending all figured out. The next couple sets of allocations will tell a much bigger part of the story and a twist worthy of M Night Shyamalan would not surprise me in the least.

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[Sean D]

How is this denied to you now?

The largest issues with out of state sales is the regulatory compliance over state taxing authorities and their individual licensing agencies.

If we're only speaking anecdotally, the only state in the US that I've ever claimed residence in is Washington and I've purchased cars through finance or cash in: Texas, Idaho, Montana, Indiana, California, Oregon, Washington and also Canada. 100% of which were licensed here in Washington and able to operate legally on public roads.

Not that you can’t do it, but the system is geared towards purchasing locally. I say be done with it.

 

[BigSteveO]

Finally, someone answered the question because honestly I didn’t know. My questions weren’t out of sarcasm.

If you knew the line was long, then you have to wait. I don’t see why many have a problem with that. If you knew, still did the deal, then fine. I have no issue with that.

However, other stores that don’t have a nearly 1000 order list shouldn’t have to wait to get their allocated stock units until all those customer orders from small stores like Granger get filled. That’s not their problem.

What ever happened to filling orders based on time stamps and constraints, not dealership size or number of orders.

 

[dweskamp]

Finally, someone answered the question because honestly I didn’t know. My questions weren’t out of sarcasm.

If you knew the line was long, then you have to wait. I don’t see why many have a problem with that. If you knew, still did the deal, then fine. I have no issue with that.

However, other stores that don’t have a nearly 1000 order list shouldn’t have to wait to get their allocated stock units until all those customer orders from small stores like Granger get filled. That’s not their problem.

I'm a 7/13 with Granger, no vin. Talked to a large local dealer, he said stay there. Allocations are not my issues it's my build

 

[Mybbackpacker]

What's worse is Mike keeps saying on twitter to simply change your dealer to another dealer, but if you've already converted your reservation to an order you can't switch. Ford literally has no idea what they're doing.

There is so many things to say, but in it's simplest form; Mike is an moron. If these decisions were good for business, but bad for a small group of customers I would say he was just a jerk.

 

[Atomicdog]

With hundreds of cargo ships sitting idle in harbors across this country the likelihood of MAP being 100% is very low. Even if 100% of the Bronco is made in the US witch it isn't. Ford will have issues getting products delivered in a timely manner. There will be more shortages on materials the rest of the year and well into 2022 if not 2023.

Very true, but why is it that Ford is affected by years and I can order a Jeep Rubicon tomorrow and be driving it in less than 100 days? Ford is doing something wrong here.

 

[DaveR5658]

Not trying to place doubt on anyone but the formula that Granger posted a few days ago...has anyone actually seen this in a direct message from Ford? or is it hearsay from Granger after speaking to someone with Ford? just wondering how official this formula is...cause I have not seen anything from them yet. But I may have missed this transmission from them. haha

 

[BroncoT]

Not trying to place doubt on anyone but the formula that Granger posted a few days ago...has anyone actually seen this in a direct message from Ford? or is it hearsay from Granger after speaking to someone with Ford? just wondering how official this formula is...cause I have not seen anything from them yet. But I may have missed this transmission from them. haha

Levine said this: “That’s exactly the plan for more than 98% of customers that didn’t place orders with a small dealer that created a special deal to attract a large number of orders.”

I’d call that consistent with punishing those 2% of customers. People in this thread say he didn’t say this, but it’s a freakin quote people. Ford is punishing Granger and their customers because they offered a special deal. He can’t say it more plainly.

 

[BigSteveO]

Not reading through 30 pages but the reality is nobody here knows the whole allocation story, nobody. And I fully expect this next point to get lost in this thread as it continues to spiral its way out of control and into a virtual riot. Yes, we know the formula has changed, we know the "first run of production" allocations and we know that Mike L must be, has to be, the villain to our protagonist. But what else do we know? How long is that "first run of production?" What capacity of production will MAP be running at? How long does MAP take to ramp up production when starting a new MY?

The truth is, we don't know what we don't know. We have only just begun to read chapter 1 of the MY22 saga and everyone thinks they got the ending all figured out. The next couple sets of allocations will tell a much bigger part of the story and a twist worthy of M Night Shyamalan would not surprise me in the least.

I don't give one shit about Mike L. I just want Ford to stick to there original promise of building and shipping Broncos based on timestamps, restraints and you can choose or change your dealer at any time before your order has been placed thats all.

 

[Bronc-O]

Just remember, as I’ve been told dozens of times on this board, there’s absolutely NOTHING Ford can do to get their dealer network in line and this kind of thing happens to EVERY automaker.

I'm not sure there's NOTHING Ford can do, but their hands are tied by laws that protect dealers. Whatever Ford is able to do is probably what they are doing now with allocation.

 

[OmahaKevin]

Finally, someone answered the question because honestly I didn’t know. My questions weren’t out of sarcasm.

If you knew the line was long, then you have to wait. I don’t see why many have a problem with that. If you knew, still did the deal, then fine. I have no issue with that.

However, other stores that don’t have a nearly 1000 order list shouldn’t have to wait to get their allocated stock units until all those customer orders from small stores like Granger get filled. That’s not their problem.

The difference is I thought it was a two hour line under the outlined rules then being told they were changing the rules and now it's a five hour line.
(Hours equal years in my example )

 

[69351windsor]

Its still just coming down to - no I can't get a local dealer to commit to MSRP. in fact they are going to hold out for the walk-in moron who knows little to nothing about the Bronco & pay $100K cash. So as it is right now as a reservationist I've been told "many years" & I know that equates to five years (maybe six) how is that even realistic? If it weren't so sickening it'd be funny.
In five or six years I might be dead. The asteroid may have come & flattened the planet, in other words basically unless I can even find a Bronco, & want to pay double or $25K over msrp -- I'm just not going to be driving one. And I refuse to pay that. So, I & hundreds of others like me are screwed & the whole idea of purchasing one is pretty much toast. And fuck Ford. This I will not forget.

 

[69351windsor]

Its still just coming down to - no I can't get a local dealer to commit to MSRP. in fact they are going to hold out for the walk-in moron who knows little to nothing about the Bronco & pay $100K cash. So as it is right now I've been told "many years" & I know that equates to five years (maybe six) how is that even realistic? If it weren't so sickening it'd be funny.
In five or six years I might be dead. The asteroid may have come & flattened the planet, in other words basically unless I can even find a Bronco, & want to pay double or $25K over msrp -- I'm just not going to be driving one. And I refuse to pay that. So, I & so many of us are screwed & the whole idea of purchasing one is pretty much toast. And fuck Ford. This I will not forget.

 

[BigSteveO]

Very true, but why is it that Ford is affected by years and I can order a Jeep Rubicon tomorrow and be driving it in less than 100 days? Ford is doing something wrong here.

Ford has no idea what there doing Jeep does. Jeep has been making Wranglers for a very long time, Ford just started making the Bronco durning COVID. Don't get me wrong I'm not sticking up for Ford in anyway. This roll out has been a shit show since hour 1 when the preorder site crashed and it's been down hill since then. I have been very patient with Ford but man do they suck the big one. This is lower then I ever thought they would go.

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