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Bronco is a resource-constrained vehicle at this time, like GT350R is a volume-constrained vehicle. Once MAP fires up at 100% capacity (in 2023?) then this whole thing is a non-issue.
If we think that MAP will return to 100% capacity. I can't be the only one who thinks all we will see are AT 4-door Big Bends with soft-tops.
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Dealers have been selling out of state for years. One in small town Nebraska has bragged for 30+ years about selling to all fifty states. They're now the #10 Ford dealer in the country while being in a town of 7,700.
It's the future. Anyone who thinks that going to a dealer to purchase a car is better than using an app just hasn't realized the potential yet. The future of dealer stores will be for service and test drives.
 

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All about the $$$ for Ford! Shame on us for expecting more than that from them.
 

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The folks in the absolute worst position are those who didn't invest several thousand hours engaging with B6G. They still don't have a clue just how screwed they are.

Analogy: two people go to their first cricket match with no idea what the game is all about. One just eats popcorn (or the equivalent in India)...while the other sits next to a friendly cricket expert who narrates the match.

Ford and their distribution network created a total information void for people to navigate. IMO this is why Ford is an "also ran" company with a dubious future
This is exactly what happened to me. I went to my local dealer prior to the price lock, was told they and Ford were no longer taking reservations and to come back in a year.
 

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It's the future. Anyone who thinks that going to a dealer to purchase a car is better than using an app just hasn't realized the potential yet. The future of dealer stores will be for service and test drives.
In the same way that TurboTax has removed the need for CPA's and tax accountants from the world.

Thought not apples to apples, there is a very real need for dealerships at this current time. Trying to remove the sales aspect from dealerships has unwanted and unintended consequences. Anyone trying to successfully have full-life vehicle ownership of a Tesla has experienced this. Removing the sales channel and outsourcing R&M is great for your bottom line but terrible for the customer. Tesla owners tolerate that because the car chose the owner. Now try that with a $18K entry-level beater car, doesn't work.
 

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Find me one local Ford dealer here in CO that is willing to commit to MSRP on a Bronco and tell you where you would stand in their orders/allocations. Until then, don't ride people for not supporting their local dealerships. There is a reason I flew to TX to buy my f150 and drive it home.
I don't know what exactly is "committing" to MSRP in your eyes, but I did purchase my Bronco in CO for MSRP.
 

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This is a little rich - the reason people even took advantage of the deal is because, under the old allocation rules, they still stood a really good chance of getting their Bronco delivered in a timely manner. Then Ford changed the rules of the game. Kind of an insulting response honestly.
Kinda.

Kind of makes me grossed out. I'm astonished that he said the quiet part out loud. This kind of response is why people name companies/industries "big" something. Big Auto, I guess. Big pharma, big tobacco, big auto?
 

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You don't think that I knew that I was getting in the back of a very long line? You don't think that Granger didn't disclose that, there is proof of it on many threads in here.

Yes, I was #956, now number #955 I guess with at least one transfer, who knows, maybe enough people will jump ship from Granger and I'll get my Bronco from them, but I am not going elsewhere.
Finally, someone answered the question because honestly I didn’t know. My questions weren’t out of sarcasm.

If you knew the line was long, then you have to wait. I don’t see why many have a problem with that. If you knew, still did the deal, then fine. I have no issue with that.

However, other stores that don’t have a nearly 1000 order list shouldn’t have to wait to get their allocated stock units until all those customer orders from small stores like Granger get filled. That’s not their problem.
 

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Finally, someone answered the question because honestly I didn’t know. My questions weren’t out of sarcasm.

If you knew the line was long, then you have to wait. I don’t see why many have a problem with that. If you knew, still did the deal, then fine. I have no issue with that.

However, other stores that don’t have a nearly 1000 order list shouldn’t have to wait to get their allocated stock units until all those customer orders from small stores like Granger get filled. That’s not their problem.
Perhaps you don't realize that the originally stated process was that vehicles would be built as close to time stamp order as possible. Just because you don't see why people have a problem with the issue does not make their stance unjustified.
 

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Finally, someone answered the question because honestly I didn’t know. My questions weren’t out of sarcasm.

If you knew the line was long, then you have to wait. I don’t see why many have a problem with that. If you knew, still did the deal, then fine. I have no issue with that.

However, other stores that don’t have a nearly 1000 order list shouldn’t have to wait to get their allocated stock units until all those customer orders from small stores like Granger get filled. That’s not their problem.
Yes. We knew the wait was MY22 and into MY23…. Not up to MY25. You see how this has become a problem now, yes? I don’t expect to jump orders from other dealers. I expected not to project out to 2025 because of high volume potentially high volume dealerships who don’t want to hustle for business. This change doesn’t just impact the dealers we’re talking about, it’s going to impact orders at many many smaller dealers throughout the country. Big dealers are getting their cut, plus dealer stock under the new changes.
 

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In the same way that TurboTax has removed the need for CPA's and tax accountants from the world.

Thought not apples to apples, there is a very real need for dealerships at this current time. Trying to remove the sales aspect from dealerships has unwanted and unintended consequences. Anyone trying to successfully have full-life vehicle ownership of a Tesla has experienced this. Removing the sales channel and outsourcing R&M is great for your bottom line but terrible for the customer. Tesla owners tolerate that because the car chose the owner. Now try that with a $18K entry-level beater car, doesn't work.
@Rick Astley, Not advocating a complete dismantling of the manufacturer/dealer/customer relationship, just utilizing technology to facilitate market disruption and end the dominance of a few players. As a consumer, I should choose my dealer however I want, regardless of location. If that is across state lines, the market should allow it. That competition should conceivably be better for all parties.

We have too many markets in too many industries when businesses collude with lobby groups, and lobby groups collude with politicians, and regulations and laws get passed that hurt the consumer and stunt small companies.

Having access to a good CPA and accountant is a must. TurboTax be damned.
 
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However, other stores that don’t have a nearly 1000 order list shouldn’t have to wait to get their allocated stock units until all those customer orders from small stores like Granger get filled. That’s not their problem.
How is it not their problem? They were given ample opportunity to treat their customers right and they failed, and you're saying they now deserve an allocation formula that basically says "if you didn't treat a single bronco customer right and never accepted a single reservation, that's okay, we'll give you 87.5% of the allocation weighting of someone who actually tried."

They are getting a B+ for showing up. Thought this was America. Thought effort got rewarded. 87.5% of the allocation formula having ZERO to do with how well they handle bronco reservations is the participation trophy of the automotive world.

If you didn't treat customers right and forced them into the arms of granger/SAC/chapman, you deserve to lose allocation. "How much?" you might ask... Well, what is that dealer's portion of 2400 estimated units over the course of 2 model years? For the top 100 dealers it's 3 cars a piece per year.

Oh my, what a huge punishment, 3 cars a year for 2 years. And evne less lost for the smaller guys? Just for Ford to service their most eager customers?

Oh yea, lets reward the dealers with stock units FIRST, and then punish the early adopters and dealers looking to stretch their legs and make some deals.

fuck that.
 

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@Rick Astley, As a consumer, I should choose my dealer however I want, regardless of location. If that is across state lines, the market should allow it.
How is this denied to you now?

The largest issues with out of state sales is the regulatory compliance over state taxing authorities and their individual licensing agencies.

If we're only speaking anecdotally, the only state in the US that I've ever claimed residence in is Washington and I've purchased cars through finance or cash in: Texas, Idaho, Montana, Indiana, California, Oregon, Washington and also Canada. 100% of which were licensed here in Washington and able to operate legally on public roads.
 

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If we think that MAP will return to 100% capacity. I can't be the only one who thinks all we will see are AT 4-door Big Bends with soft-tops.
With hundreds of cargo ships sitting idle in harbors across this country the likelihood of MAP being 100% is very low. Even if 100% of the Bronco is made in the US witch it isn't. Ford will have issues getting products delivered in a timely manner. There will be more shortages on materials the rest of the year and well into 2022 if not 2023.
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