Everybody PLEASE Be Calm. This is only the beginning.

[Jook13]

It has not been confirmed that 7sp+Sasquatch decision was based on engineering concerns. Manufacturers paywall desirable options behind other costly options all the time. Want Sasquatch? Pony up for the automatic.

Pony up? Automatic? If needed I would pay extra for the manual.

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[eBronco]

Pony up? Automatic? If needed I would pay extra for the manual.

I don't undestand why manuals are so hard to engineer. They are very simple mechanical machines....compared to AUTOs.

 

[FirstOnRaceDay]

Just did a BUNCH of maths!
figure the 4 door bronco Bandlands 7speed weighs 5200lbs.
And your accelerating from 0-3mph in 1 second.

With 33” tires you need 90lbft to move the car.
With 35” tires tour need 100lbft to move the car.

So that means you need 10% more force to do the same thing.
That force makes a clutch work 10% harder.

Doesn’t sound like a lot at all. But that’s a massive difference from and engineering standpoint

 

[Desertsailing]

Ok, here is my silly gripe. I was hoping it would have Ford Co-Pilot360 2.0 instead of Ford Co-Pilot360. Moab is a solid 4-5 hours a way and those drivers assistance aids are really nice to have after camping and backpacking all week/weekend.

I thought they were a gimmick originally, but they make long road trips less fatiguing. I’ll add that I’m no stranger to 16 hour days during a road trip. Although as have aged into my 30s (hahaha) I now try to cap it at 8 hours.

 

[BAUS67]

I don't undestand why manuals are so hard to engineer. They are very simple mechanical machines....compared to AUTOs.

Because it's hard to "nanny" a manual.

 

[BAUS67]

Thanks @I_am_Becks

That's 'cause I'm a metal head from the 80's

I've seen this one around thought it was cool as well .......... [o===o]

Couldn't think of this earlier, ........A Bronco themed classic banger from Metal Church !!!!



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[FirstOnRaceDay]

lots of maths..... but you can see the torque needed at clutch to move the car. 33 vs 35

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I don't undestand why manuals are so hard to engineer. They are very simple mechanical machines....compared to AUTOs.

BE ADVISED, I AM NOT A DIE HARD MANUAL GUY, but I have a thing about reading all this ignorance about a manual option.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding manuals out there. Slipping clutches etc etc.
As somebody else posted, they have no issue putting a manual about this size behind 550 horsepower sports cars. Clutch slippage isn't the issue.
Further more, the 5/6/7 mti550 family of transmissions can carry ratings up to 590 ft/lbs (800Nm). So the parts readily exist to make it happen.

AANNDD I'll add that with the addition of that granny gear will negate that supposed issue of slipping the clutch in those instances where it may be needed. If smoking clutches is the issue, you're most ikely doing something wrong.

Basically, it is going to boil down to a take rate of probably 1%.
The last year they offered a manual in the F250, it was less than 1%.
I'm not certain what Jeeps take rate is, but I'm sure it has been posted already.

 

[Nickp]

lots of maths..... but you can see the torque needed at clutch to move the car. 33 vs 35

I am willing to give them a benefit of the doubt that their may be a reason.... but then it begs the question of why? Why go through all the work to build a manual and then nerf it more than infinity ward just nerfed the Grau 5.56 in cod war zone? If you’re going to do a manual, and only offer it on one engine I get that. But it should be fully capable with that engine.

 

[MaverickMan]

I have been doing some soul searching and after talking with a friend, he said that there’s no way it will only tow 3500lbs in V6/auto/4 door. Or if it’s only rated for that, there may just be one specific criteria that it can’t pass past 3500 lbs. He said to buy it and if it needs bags or anything you can always add that to tow more, but honestly I’m going to be towing my crawler maybe 5 or 6 times a year. Will probably just end up doing that, but honestly I still don’t believe the 3500 tow rating. Makes no sense that it’s the same regardless of wheelbase/engine/trans.

A real hitch would kill departure angle stats? I hold a CDL and will tow up to about 5500lb with my 4 door. Ive towed almost that much with a cj7 258 with a 3 speed stick. Once i see the chassis in person i will decide what i feel its capable of towing. My old 78 E250 was only rated for like 6800lb or so. I have towed 11,500 with it up and down hills on highway and offroad. It had a 230 hp 375 lbft big block in it and a C6.

This bronco will tow anything not idiotic.

 

[Nickp]

A real hitch would kill departure angle stats?

There’s options... lol

 

[indio22]

BE ADVISED, I AM NOT A DIE HARD MANUAL GUY, but I have a thing about reading all this ignorance about a manual option.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding manuals out there. Slipping clutches etc etc.
As somebody else posted, they have no issue putting a manual about this size behind 550 horsepower sports cars. Clutch slippage isn't the issue.
Further more, the 5/6/7 mti550 family of transmissions can carry ratings up to 590 ft/lbs (800Nm). So the parts readily exist to make it happen.

AANNDD I'll add that with the addition of that granny gear will negate that supposed issue of slipping the clutch in those instances where it may be needed. If smoking clutches is the issue, you're most ikely doing something wrong.

Basically, it is going to boil down to a take rate of probably 1%.
The last year they offered a manual in the F250, it was less than 1%.
I'm not certain what Jeeps take rate is, but I'm sure it has been posted already.

Could it be not so much the manual trans itself, but the other drivetrain components that are a concern, if mated to the V6? An auto trans provided some cushion with the fluid coupling and more gradual torque converter hookup. And you can't dump the clutch at high rpm with an auto. On the Wrangler if ordering with manual trans, the heavy duty rear axle is included, to handle the additional drivetrain stress. So maybe Ford is concerned with a V6/manual trans combo overstressing downstream drivetrain components?

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Could it be not so much the manual trans itself, but the other drivetrain components that are a concern, if mated to the V6? An auto trans provided some cushion with the fluid coupling and more gradual torque converter hookup. And you can't dump the clutch at high rpm with an auto. On the Wrangler if ordering with manual trans, the heavy duty rear axle is included, to handle the additional drivetrain stress. So maybe Ford is concerned with a V6/manual trans combo overstressing downstream drivetrain components?

You know, that could be part of it.
They'd have to beef the hell out of everything for just a few percent of buyers who most likely buy the lower trims.
I've read similar and know that the new autos are integrated into the ECM and actually feather the throttle back during the shift, which greatly reduces stresses on the tranny. It happens so fast you bareky feel a thing through all 10 gear changes.
It's my understanding the 6.7 Powerstroke is so brutal that they put a slow fuel curve in from idle and then taper the throttle on so that they don't shock load the driveline if you MASH the pedal from a dead stop. 1000ftlbs of torque is probably tuff to tame!!! Talk about "Born Wild"!

 

[MaverickMan]

You know, that could be part of it.
They'd have to beef the hell out of everything for just a few percent of buyers who most likely buy the lower trims.
I've read similar and know that the new autos are integrated into the ECM and actually feather the throttle back during the shift, which greatly reduces stresses on the tranny. It happens so fast you bareky feel a thing through all 10 gear changes.
It's my understanding the 6.7 Powerstroke is so brutal that they put a slow fuel curve in from idle and then taper the throttle on so that they don't shock load the driveline if you MASH the pedal from a dead stop. 1000ftlbs of torque is probably tuff to tame!!! Talk about "Born Wild"!

I do get that point and it makes sense, but with the drive by wire and everything else, they could have just numb the throttle input when people try to do something too wild. It would definitely make sense to automatically upgrade the front diff to the iron one when you have the manual.

 

[wvmtneer]

Then why does Ford waste so much time on the Mustang V8s?

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