So Ford is basically obliterating dealer allocations, right?

[Newbie]

That would be a very strong possibility then it would be off to Lexus for a GX460.

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[drbandkgb]

 

[ryn0s3r1]

Constraints, as much as they suck, are just going to shift the problem around. You’re going to see a LOT of people shift to a soft top with the prep kit, for example. I wouldn’t be surprised if the soft top when as a constraint over the coming months. I hope I’m wrong, but if you have a major fluctuation if just throws everything out the window - That’s why I’ve stuck to my original build and hope for the best. Yes, I’m still considering the soft top, but we’ll see…

And as a side note, Ford will make a fortune on future hard top sales if everyone is getting a soft top now with prep kit, knowing they’ll buy a hard top down the road. Well played, Ford…

Of course soft tops will become another constraint! The next excuse will be: Due to unexpected demand, we can not keep up production of soft tops and all soft top orders will be pushed back to MY24.

At this point they should just change their name from Ford to FUBAR!

 

[WyoBronc]

Okay, here’s my hot take:

MY21 allocations are centered around production capacity to begin with. Ford can only produce X Broncos in MY21, and there are Y orders…. So generally speaking a dealer’s MY21 allocation is the x/y ratio based on their total orders.

Therefore, if a dealer has an allocation of 50 MY21 Broncos, there isn’t any more capacity in the system. If Ford can’t produce a retail order, and it turns into a stock order, Ford can’t magically now produce 51 MY21 Broncos.

So yes, any stock order that is produced would count against a retail order.

BUT

For a dealer to get a stock order sent in place of a retail order, it’s because by definition there aren’t any customers with orders that can be built. It’s either build a stock order or nothing… just think of it as another retail order behind yours getting built first because they don’t have the parts for your dream build but they do for the other guy’s.

The rub is that they have to keep the production line running, and there’s only so many they can produce… so it’s not really possible for them to just stop producing Broncos and then making all of them in November if and when the parts become available for only retail orders.

Additionally, allocation (generally) is the same x/y ratio for all dealerships… so a person’s chances at MY21 are (generally) the same everywhere….

BUT,

It’s conceivable that Ford could build your bronco this week, but your dealer is out of allocation in this block, so instead, those parts go to build a stock order for a different dealer… though that could be true for a retail order at another dealer as well.

(i actually have to agree that this solution to the allocation problem probably makes the most sense… it would suck to basically deny a dealership any allocation in a block just because none of their orders can be built… these are businesses, in some cases small family ones, and it would be terrible to renege on their allotment of vehicles to sell just because all of their customers wanted MIC… like I said, allocation is generally a consistent ratio to how many orders they recruited, so maintaining that is probably to most fair to FoMoCo’s customers… which are the dealerships)

Thanks for that dose of truthiness Zack. My question is…..what is the process for determining whose customer allocation will be taken to augment the dealer stock build? For example, my allocation is #1 of 56 at my dealership and riddled with constraints (2dr/MIC)…….is there anything stopping the dealership from taking the top 5 allocations at their dealership in a “let your conscience be your guide” “business” decision? Is there a motive for them to do that since the lower reservation number is more likely to get built before another dealer stock reconfigured bronco? Will the customer be told his allocation, has been, uh em, reallocated? Or will they just be left waiting in vain?

EDIT: Zack, I ask these questions because all dealerships don’t have the same integrity as yours.

Mine is a dealership that texted me to cancel a scheduled appt. while I was driving a hundred miles in a snow storm on a Saturday because they were too busy. When I told them I was on my way, and to cancel someone else…the salesman said, coincidentally, 2 people just canceled and we were good. When I arrive no customers are there. The salesman said their scheduling system inadvertently scheduled 35 appointments, so they really had no appointments at all and he could now take his time and give me the service I deserve. Right.

I was there to change my order from WT 4dr to BL 2dr, and order an additional BL Sport for my wife. I asked him his best price on the Sport and he told me it was just like my Big Bronco…..MSRP and a $1k deposit and they would order it. This after I was ordering 2 Broncos and spending over $100k at his dealership. When I tried to change my order, he said I his GSM was the only one that could and the GSM wasn’t there, so literally drove thru a blizzard for no reason and he eventually just changed my order based on the build sheet I emailed him a week prior. Needless to say I didn’t order the Sport from him and wish I could get out of my Big Bronco order from him, but that ship has sailed.

He starts every text with, sorry I haven’t got back to you dude, it’s been hectic this week. My last conversation with him, after he told me Ford determines priority code and he couldn’t change mine, was me telling him I wouldn’t bother him anymore and to just let me know when my Bronco arrives. Other inaccuracies and lies are too lengthy to mention. I haven’t communicated with them in a month and a half.

So, needless to say, I’m a bit concerned about my allocation. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Benzo]

I think it would be great if the orders from people that canceled are moved to the end of the line. The dealer should have to wait to get it and it should loose the reservation timestamp. This is if timestamp really is coming into play. I doubt the dealers would let that happen.

 

[jmjoyas]

I think it would be great if the orders from people that canceled are moved to the end of the line. The dealer should have to wait to get it and it should loose the reservation timestamp. This is if timestamp really is coming into play. I doubt the dealers would let that happen.

A properly cancelled order is not going to be built. This is the case when dealer cancels using the WBDO and the refund happens to the card used to make the reservation.
Dealers can also pretend cancel. This is when they say they have cancelled and refund using a cheque. They really haven't cancelled it in the WBDO and Ford will still see it as a valid order.

 

[Pitpup]

Yes some will see their same build at another dealer but thats all due to allocations and is shitty, but the reality. Ford did state when you made a reservation that it doesn’t Guarantee a vehicle. Take that for what it’s worth.

Thank you Trueblue2296... I seem to have forgotten this back on 7/14/2020 when clicking the mouse button. So! What the French refer to as Bastille Day... I (we?) will refer to as Bastards Day!

 

[DUSTYcazOREGON]

For months, we've all been focused on dealer allocations (once Ford backstabbed us about our timestamps),

And now Ford has said that they're going to be building dealer stock instead of reservations because they have to. But we no dealer stock counts towards their allocations regardless if there are reservation holder or not.

So say a dealer only has 50 allocations and that was supposed to go to 50 reservation holders, Ford fills those 50 with Big Ben soft tops... All the reservation holders are SOL (I mean obviously some will get sprinkled in hopefully)

So shouldn't Ford basically separate dealer allocations from reservations at this point? Or maybe even go back to original timestamp in the big picture.

Basically, as someone pointed out in a different thread... Your reserved Bronco that you have been waiting on, could be sitting as stock on a different dealer's lot because your dealer ran out of allocations.
[/ So shouldn't Ford basically separate dealer allocations from reservations at this point? QUOTE]
Yes....IMO....if they send them Dealer stock because that is all they can produce, then it should have NO effect to Reservation Holders and the Dealer's Allocation amounts. Basically, any Dealer stock sent out would be "gravy"....a bonus to the Dealers. AND.....if Ford does this, they need to make sure that all needed parts will be available for Reservation holders when a top is available to produce it. Otherwise, they will run out of other commodities too.

 

[ZackDanger]

Thanks for that dose of truthiness Zack. My question is…..what is the process for determining whose customer allocation will be taken to augment the dealer stock build? For example, my allocation is #1 of 56 at my dealership and riddled with constraints (2dr/MIC)…….is there anything stopping the dealership from taking the top 5 allocations at their dealership in a “let your conscience be your guide” “business” decision? Is there a motive for them to do that since the lower reservation number is more likely to get built before another dealer stock reconfigured bronco? Will the customer be told his allocation, has been, uh em, reallocated? Or will they just be left waiting in vain?

EDIT: Zack, I ask these questions because all dealerships don’t have the same integrity as yours.

Mine is a dealership that texted me to cancel a scheduled appt. while I was driving a hundred miles in a snow storm on a Saturday because they were too busy. When I told them I was on my way, and to cancel someone else…the salesman said, coincidentally, 2 people just canceled and we were good. When I arrive no customers are there. The salesman said their scheduling system inadvertently scheduled 35 appointments, so they really had no appointments at all and he could now take his time and give me the service I deserve. Right.

I was there to change my order from WT 4dr to BL 2dr, and order an additional BL Sport for my wife. I asked him his best price on the Sport and he told me it was just like my Big Bronco…..MSRP and a $1k deposit and they would order it. This after I was ordering 2 Broncos and spending over $100k at his dealership. When I tried to change my order, he said I his GSM was the only one that could and the GSM wasn’t there, so literally drove thru a blizzard for no reason and he eventually just changed my order based on the build sheet I emailed him a week prior. Needless to say I didn’t order the Sport from him and wish I could get out of my Big Bronco order from him, but that ship has sailed.

He starts every text with, sorry I haven’t got back to you dude, it’s been hectic this week. My last conversation with him, after he told me Ford determines priority code and he couldn’t change mine, was me telling him I wouldn’t bother him anymore and to just let me know when my Bronco arrives. Other inaccuracies and lies are too lengthy to mention. I haven’t communicated with them in a month and a half.

So, needless to say, I’m a bit concerned about my allocation. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

First, I’m not with a dealership or Ford…. I think you may have me confused with another forum member who’s username rhymes with “ZackDanger”

Second, I don’t think there’s any weird craziness going on here. The scheduling hasn’t changed, the only thing that has changed is that Ford shared their plan for when a dealership doesn’t have enough buildable retail orders for a particular scheduling block.

Here’s the scenario:

Dealership A is getting 5 Broncos this month. Ford starts at the earliest timestamp and checks to see if they have the parts, if it does then the build gets scheduled, if not they move to the next earliest. They do this until they can find 5 retail orders.

The next month they do the same thing for the next 5, starting at the earliest and moving their way through again.

Now the third month, turns out that of allllll the retail orders placed, they only have the parts for three of them…

…under the system that Ford just announced, the remaining 2 allocated Broncos would be built as dealer stock with whatever parts they do have.

The dealership still gets their 5 Broncos that month to sell, and everyone who was next in line with a buildable order still gets their bronco, and anyone who didn’t have a buildable order still gets skipped.

In a way, no one is actually being pushed back or denied a build, since they are still building retail orders first when they can… if you get skipped because they don’t have the parts, and are back in the running next month, the eventual outcome is exactly the same whether you were skipped for another retail order or a stock order.

 

[ZackDanger]

Yes....IMO....if they send them Dealer stock because that is all they can produce, then it should have NO effect to Reservation Holders and the Dealer's Allocation amounts. Basically, any Dealer stock sent out would be "gravy"....a bonus to the Dealers. AND.....if Ford does this, they need to make sure that all needed parts will be available for Reservation holders when a top is available to produce it. Otherwise, they will run out of other commodities too.

Where does the extra bronco production capacity come from in your scenario?

Ford is still prioritizing retail orders… they just needed a plan for when the only retail orders left all want MIC tops and they don’t have any more… but they still need to produce Broncos.

As far as “gravy”… eventually yes, these stock units do count as gravy since all retail orders would be eventually sold when the parts are available… it’s just that Ford can’t increase MY21 allocation numbers since they can’t physically produce any more than the current allotment.

 

[Bullitt]

Don't forget, "allocation" was never in Ford's Bronco reservation system in the beginning. Ford clearly stated that it would be based on reservation timestamp. "Allocation" was only added later when dealers complained to Ford.

 

[EvlNvrDys]

So shouldn't Ford basically separate dealer allocations from reservations at this point? Or maybe even go back to original timestamp in the big picture.

That line right there could be the only saving grace. Go BACK to timestamps mean something.

I'm a July 15th res. Have seen countless people leap frog me. So make dealer stock but then make timestamps count. That way people in the back who switch to soft top just to jump ahead won't be able to anymore. Or they can just buy the dealer stock unit

Not a perfect plan, but better than anything else Ford has given us so far.

Plan #2 is, Ford makes whatever hard tops they got and everything else is a soft top. Ford can then sell us a hard top (when available) for the same $795 or whatever it was to order it that way. That probably would've been best case... It's not OUR fault that Ford didn't have this shit locked down 2 years before 1st build. That's piss poor planning on their part.

 

[Baddie64]

Many of the constraint problems are not on Ford. The entire industry is affected. However, the seemingly primary constraint, the Webasto desasto, is 100% on Ford. Additionally, not offering soft tops on 2 doors from design concept on is a baffling and HUGE fail.

 

[Ig_bronco]

For months, we've all been focused on dealer allocations (once Ford backstabbed us about our timestamps),

And now Ford has said that they're going to be building dealer stock instead of reservations because they have to. But we no dealer stock counts towards their allocations regardless if there are reservation holder or not.

So say a dealer only has 50 allocations and that was supposed to go to 50 reservation holders, Ford fills those 50 with Big Ben soft tops... All the reservation holders are SOL (I mean obviously some will get sprinkled in hopefully)

So shouldn't Ford basically separate dealer allocations from reservations at this point? Or maybe even go back to original timestamp in the big picture.

Basically, as someone pointed out in a different thread... Your reserved Bronco that you have been waiting on, could be sitting as stock on a different dealer's lot because your dealer ran out of allocations.

Heck, if my dealer got in any trim 4D bronco id entertain the idea of buying it.

 

[dwbronco]

Get ready to cancel, it’s going to happen. Or refuse to drive by any Ford dealers until your “reserved” (LOL, reserved…) Bronco shows up.

If Ford does not have the parts necessary for the next in (time-stamp) line, should they halt production; or should they skip to the next buildable vehicle?

All the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching, over time-stamps, is pathetic. It shows a complete misunderstanding of how the real world works.

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