Badlands vs Sasquatch Badlands

[VelocityBrew]

Wheel spacers for a little bit more track. Cheap.

I ordered the optional wheels and MT's so I don't really want to throw them away.

I currently have Bora 1" spacers on my Honda Passport. We're not in love with any of the OE wheels and would want to "spice" up our Bronco.

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[RookieMissSteak]

I have a question about the crash bars, as I don’t know anything about cars. I was reading that the crash bars are supposed to protect the legs of the driver and front passenger. Does the Sasquatch move the crash bars or are they just gone completely? Is that as big of a deal as it sounds like? Do most off-road vehicles with bigger tires lose the crash bars?

 

[vrtical]

I have a question about the crash bars, as I don’t know anything about cars. I was reading that the crash bars are supposed to protect the legs of the driver and front passenger. Does the Sasquatch move the crash bars or are they just gone completely? Is that as big of a deal as it sounds like? Do most off-road vehicles with bigger tires lose the crash bars?

on the Bronco they are bolt on and apparently Ford just takes them off the Sasquatch which seems a bit odd from a manufacture safety standpoint. On others like the F150 people just mod them accordingly.

 

[RookieMissSteak]

on the Bronco they are bolt on and apparently Ford just takes them off the Sasquatch which seems a bit odd from a manufacture safety standpoint. On others like the F150 people just mod them accordingly.

Okay, thanks. I can see people taking them off themselves, but for Ford to sell them without seems interesting to me. Like a liability issue if someone gets their legs crushed.

 

[L8apex]

I have a question about the crash bars, as I don’t know anything about cars. I was reading that the crash bars are supposed to protect the legs of the driver and front passenger. Does the Sasquatch move the crash bars or are they just gone completely? Is that as big of a deal as it sounds like? Do most off-road vehicles with bigger tires lose the crash bars?

on the Bronco they are bolt on and apparently Ford just takes them off the Sasquatch which seems a bit odd from a manufacture safety standpoint. On others like the F150 people just mod them accordingly.

Crash bars are really for the small overlap test. You can see many examples here. On many you see the tire get pushed back in and towards the driver or passenger compartment which is less than ideal.

The sasquatch package removes the crash bars in front and behind the front wheel. One theory is that they had to be removed for the wheels to be able to fully turn. So the question then becomes how does that effect safety? Well manufacturers really do not want to have 10 different safety ratings based on engine/transmission/sasquatch/technology package / etc.

SO, my guess is because the lower offset wheel pushes the wheel further outboard of the body it's at less risk / or not a risk of intrusion into the passenger cabin compared to a wheel that sits in-ine with the passenger or driver.

 

[RookieMissSteak]

Crash bars are really for the small overlap test. You can see many examples here. On many you see the tire get pushed back in and towards the driver or passenger compartment which is less than ideal.

The sasquatch package removes the crash bars in front and behind the front wheel. One theory is that they had to be removed for the wheels to be able to fully turn. So the question then becomes how does that effect safety? Well manufacturers really do not want to have 10 different safety ratings based on engine/transmission/sasquatch/technology package / etc.

SO, my guess is because the lower offset wheel pushes the wheel further outboard of the body it's at less risk / or not a risk of intrusion into the passenger cabin compared to a wheel that sits in-ine with the passenger or driver.

Thanks for the video, and the point about the offset. I’m really curious now about how the Bronco with and without Sasquatch will do in the same test.

 

[Gamecock]

Crash bars are really for the small overlap test. You can see many examples here. On many you see the tire get pushed back in and towards the driver or passenger compartment which is less than ideal.

The sasquatch package removes the crash bars in front and behind the front wheel. One theory is that they had to be removed for the wheels to be able to fully turn. So the question then becomes how does that effect safety? Well manufacturers really do not want to have 10 different safety ratings based on engine/transmission/sasquatch/technology package / etc.

SO, my guess is because the lower offset wheel pushes the wheel further outboard of the body it's at less risk / or not a risk of intrusion into the passenger cabin compared to a wheel that sits in-ine with the passenger or driver.

I had also seen reasonable speculation that the greater mass of the 35" tire made the force requirement to move it into the cabin high enough to do without the bars and still do well in the test.

 

[L8apex]

I had also seen reasonable speculation that the greater mass of the 35" tire made the force requirement to move it into the cabin high enough to do without the bars and still do well in the test.

That also makes sense - and greater dampening from the taller sidewall. Could be 1 or all 3 things allowing for the removal of the crash bars.

 

[RhodeIslandRed]

saw two broncos at local dealer yesterday in the Northeast. I am outraged at all the posters that wrote there aint much difference between the non-sas badlands and a sasquatch. They had a non-sas badlands and a sas Black Diamond, side-by-side. HUGE effin difference. HUge. The stance is totally underwhelming with the 33s. I wasn't sure what to expect between 33s and 35s. I am so glad they had these two models on display. Everybody that is trying to evaluate this difference from the side is doing it wrong!

I have a non-sas badlands revised build week of 7/19. I'm ordering wheels and 35s today! I'm also ordering the table for the tailgate and door sill protectors (rocker panels). Those are things obviously just missing on the show trucks. The badlands was a manual trans, and that was good to get a feel for, although not driving. The pattern and throw dxs were a non-issue, again in contrast to what I have read on here. It's toit.

Oh, I'm also ordering those door bags. didn't think I would need them. Watching the hundred pound marketing woman pull the sixty pound door in under a minute convinced me. The bags make removing the doors and managing them a lot easier. Much less likely to get dinged up, even if you only plan to store them in your custom made rack in your garage.

The good news is the suspension looks the same. For all the talk about the flipped reservoirs on the bilsteins (and maybe different springs), the upper control arms were the same exact part. I'm no expert but it's my understanding that for more travel, you need different upper control arms. I will leave the rest of that discussion to people that really understand the geometry of an IFS lift, but I think 35s are going to slide right under my badlands, hopefully with less than ten miles on it!

Other notes: The 2.3 looks lonely in the engine bay. Under the other hood looked chock full with the 2.7. I know that's not a very technical description, but that is my takeaway. Maybe room for a compressor under the hood with the 4-banger.

As everyone says, the MGV seems awesome and it is confirmed by the marketing folks that have been driving these two rigs for two months. Sun, spills and wear and tear seem non-issue. Still have the stupid carpet on the back of the second row seats. The badlands finish on the interior was a little fancier than I expected. Had some decent orange highlights, piping-type touches.

The touch screen and the whole dash panel seem better protected from topless weather than I expected. The interior space seems about right coming from a defender. Another huge takeaway (that the wife liked) is that if/when you remove the soft-top there is no cross support from the top of the windshield to behind the second row. That's pretty amazing for open-air experience. The spokesperson said that was a specific engineering feat by Ford. There are two cross members in a shorter span in the Jeep.

There was no step on either of these rigs and I didn't feel I needed one. You could read that two ways: easy ingress/egress, or it needs a lift. My short wife got in and out of both sides without complaining. That's gotta be passing some test.

It will definitely dwarf any stock Jeep. But it definitely NEEDS the 35s and some negative offset wheels. Then I guess those wider fender flares are going to be mandatory. I saw a big difference between the two rigs sitting on 33s vs. 35s. The bottom line is the 33s didn't do it for me.

 

[VelocityBrew]

"Outraged" seems a bit dramatic ...

 

[BroncoJay]

saw two broncos at local dealer yesterday in the Northeast. I am outraged at all the posters that wrote there aint much difference between the non-sas badlands and a sasquatch. They had a non-sas badlands and a sas Black Diamond, side-by-side. HUGE effin difference. HUge. The stance is totally underwhelming with the 33s. I wasn't sure what to expect between 33s and 35s. I am so glad they had these two models on display. Everybody that is trying to evaluate this difference from the side is doing it wrong!

I have a non-sas badlands revised build week of 7/19. I'm ordering wheels and 35s today! I'm also ordering the table for the tailgate and door sill protectors (rocker panels). Those are things obviously just missing on the show trucks. The badlands was a manual trans, and that was good to get a feel for, although not driving. The pattern and throw dxs were a non-issue, again in contrast to what I have read on here. It's toit.

Oh, I'm also ordering those door bags. didn't think I would need them. Watching the hundred pound marketing woman pull the sixty pound door in under a minute convinced me. The bags make removing the doors and managing them a lot easier. Much less likely to get dinged up, even if you only plan to store them in your custom made rack in your garage.

The good news is the suspension looks the same. For all the talk about the flipped reservoirs on the bilsteins (and maybe different springs), the upper control arms were the same exact part. I'm no expert but it's my understanding that for more travel, you need different upper control arms. I will leave the rest of that discussion to people that really understand the geometry of an IFS lift, but I think 35s are going to slide right under my badlands, hopefully with less than ten miles on it!

Other notes: The 2.3 looks lonely in the engine bay. Under the other hood looked chock full with the 2.7. I know that's not a very technical description, but that is my takeaway. Maybe room for a compressor under the hood with the 4-banger.

As everyone says, the MGV seems awesome and it is confirmed by the marketing folks that have been driving these two rigs for two months. Sun, spills and wear and tear seem non-issue. Still have the stupid carpet on the back of the second row seats. The badlands finish on the interior was a little fancier than I expected. Had some decent orange highlights, piping-type touches.

The touch screen and the whole dash panel seem better protected from topless weather than I expected. The interior space seems about right coming from a defender. Another huge takeaway (that the wife liked) is that if/when you remove the soft-top there is no cross support from the top of the windshield to behind the second row. That's pretty amazing for open-air experience. The spokesperson said that was a specific engineering feat by Ford. There are two cross members in a shorter span in the Jeep.

There was no step on either of these rigs and I didn't feel I needed one. You could read that two ways: easy ingress/egress, or it needs a lift. My short wife got in and out of both sides without complaining. That's gotta be passing some test.

It will definitely dwarf any stock Jeep. But it definitely NEEDS the 35s and some negative offset wheels. Then I guess those wider fender flares are going to be mandatory. I saw a big difference between the two rigs sitting on 33s vs. 35s. The bottom line is the 33s didn't do it for me.

Thanks for your over hyper analysis....

There isn’t a huge difference, maybe in your mind but technically speaking there isn’t this “huge” difference you seem to claim...

 

[RhodeIslandRed]

Thanks for your over hyper analysis....

There isn’t a huge difference, maybe in your mind but technically speaking there isn’t this “huge” difference you seem to claim...

Just curious, do you primarily wheel over rock, sand, or mud? I don't know what the typical terrain is like in your area.

I spend a lot of time in mud and some recreational soft sand (that requires air down).

 

[RhodeIslandRed]

"Outraged" seems a bit dramatic ...

fair. I run a little hot.

 

[Oneand0]

saw two broncos at local dealer yesterday in the Northeast. I am outraged at all the posters that wrote there aint much difference between the non-sas badlands and a sasquatch. They had a non-sas badlands and a sas Black Diamond, side-by-side. HUGE effin difference. HUge. The stance is totally underwhelming with the 33s. I wasn't sure what to expect between 33s and 35s. I am so glad they had these two models on display. Everybody that is trying to evaluate this difference from the side is doing it wrong!

I have a non-sas badlands revised build week of 7/19. I'm ordering wheels and 35s today! I'm also ordering the table for the tailgate and door sill protectors (rocker panels). Those are things obviously just missing on the show trucks. The badlands was a manual trans, and that was good to get a feel for, although not driving. The pattern and throw dxs were a non-issue, again in contrast to what I have read on here. It's toit.

Oh, I'm also ordering those door bags. didn't think I would need them. Watching the hundred pound marketing woman pull the sixty pound door in under a minute convinced me. The bags make removing the doors and managing them a lot easier. Much less likely to get dinged up, even if you only plan to store them in your custom made rack in your garage.

The good news is the suspension looks the same. For all the talk about the flipped reservoirs on the bilsteins (and maybe different springs), the upper control arms were the same exact part. I'm no expert but it's my understanding that for more travel, you need different upper control arms. I will leave the rest of that discussion to people that really understand the geometry of an IFS lift, but I think 35s are going to slide right under my badlands, hopefully with less than ten miles on it!

Other notes: The 2.3 looks lonely in the engine bay. Under the other hood looked chock full with the 2.7. I know that's not a very technical description, but that is my takeaway. Maybe room for a compressor under the hood with the 4-banger.

As everyone says, the MGV seems awesome and it is confirmed by the marketing folks that have been driving these two rigs for two months. Sun, spills and wear and tear seem non-issue. Still have the stupid carpet on the back of the second row seats. The badlands finish on the interior was a little fancier than I expected. Had some decent orange highlights, piping-type touches.

The touch screen and the whole dash panel seem better protected from topless weather than I expected. The interior space seems about right coming from a defender. Another huge takeaway (that the wife liked) is that if/when you remove the soft-top there is no cross support from the top of the windshield to behind the second row. That's pretty amazing for open-air experience. The spokesperson said that was a specific engineering feat by Ford. There are two cross members in a shorter span in the Jeep.

There was no step on either of these rigs and I didn't feel I needed one. You could read that two ways: easy ingress/egress, or it needs a lift. My short wife got in and out of both sides without complaining. That's gotta be passing some test.

It will definitely dwarf any stock Jeep. But it definitely NEEDS the 35s and some negative offset wheels. Then I guess those wider fender flares are going to be mandatory. I saw a big difference between the two rigs sitting on 33s vs. 35s. The bottom line is the 33s didn't do it for me.

You definitely need to go with what you want. Even if you upgrade it on your own after the fact. Who knows I might be right behind you. I hope I like my stock BL when I get it. Check out this article. 33” stock got the podium finish. There’s some video of it on Instagram too.

https://performance.ford.com/series/off-road-racing/news/articles/norra/2021/5/norra-1000.html

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/30/2021-ford-bronco-norra-mexican-1000-baja-rally/#slide-2315653

 

[FTBronco9]

They’d mentioned in that vid they had a Badlands vs. Wildtrak comparison video on their channel but one doesn’t exist yet. I’m guessing it’s still being edited. Look forward to seeing that one for a side by side.

I have a question about the crash bars, as I don’t know anything about cars. I was reading that the crash bars are supposed to protect the legs of the driver and front passenger. Does the Sasquatch move the crash bars or are they just gone completely? Is that as big of a deal as it sounds like? Do most off-road vehicles with bigger tires lose the crash bars?

In the video above he says but doesn’t show that the crash bar behind the front wheel is removed for the Sasquatch package.

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