Ford finally got me....

[Mattwings]

I agree to a point, but that doesn't explain the gas/liquid Ranger owners are finding in their 2.3L oil upon oil checks and lab testing.

I was considering catch can and time that would go along with maintaining it, but then noticed on the Ranger forum, there's owners emptying those things with a couple oz of liquid after long trips too. It seems like a pain in the ass, that frankly I'm not sure I want to deal with. I'm not here to convince anyone, but at the same time the OP was asking if anyone else had switched over to the 2.7L and why.

edit: I've also wondered if I'm worrying way too much about this with the Bronco, since I have a 2.0 (DI) turbo in my Kia Optima which has had zero issues up to this point. So, I'm still torn, but leaning 2.7L.

We have one of both in my household right now. Both have been trouble free, but the 2.3 is pretty new. We will likely do an oil change next week and I will report back if I see any issues

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[Rick Astley]

Did they push you to the switch too?

As much as I’ve been 100% all in on the 2.3/7spd, I finally argued myself into a corner and decided to go 2.7/10 spd on my 2 dr BD. I love “rowing the boat”, it gives you a fee of being in control, holding a gear just a bit longer so you don’t have a lag, dropping that gear hammering up a steep climb, I love all of it, no issues dding a manual.

What got me was the stipulations and restrictions.
- no mid/manual without going BL Was already going BL
- 400 torque limit Well shit, there goes my man-card and 12.00 second drag slips
- none of the perks (trail turn, trail control) Unnecessary with MT, learn how to smoke the tires. I can smoke tires until they rupture with 200 lb tq in a 1941 Ford Super Deluxe (Flathead), if you can't smoke tires with 350 torques, I don't know what to say but "try harder"
- no public track record yet for the 7 spd Factory warranty
I’m not looking to go nuts in the power department, but 310hp/400tq out of the box, with 375-400hp/450-500 tq easily attainable and well within factory parameters is impressive. Drag-race Bronco seems like a horrible platform to start with. For the same money you could buy a Mustang and almost a GT350. Guessing a GT350 will wreck the Bronco's face at the drag strip you're talking about.
I was looking forward to the 95:1 crawl ratio, but 80:1 is still ahead of a similarly prepped JLR. I’ve never needed trail turn assist, particularly on a 2 door, but it’s one more trick to add to the arsenal. And let’s be honest, I’m getting old and brittle, heated seats and remote start are a necessity in Michigan at this point (still don’t have my heated wheel ?) Get younger? Isotoners?

All of that pointed towards the 2.7/10 spd.
Anyone else end up getting duped or was it just me? You mean you've beguiled yourself, not duped. The 2.3/MT is unapologetically exactly what they advertised it as.

Responses in-line above as to why it's no big deal.

 

[timhood]

All of that pointed towards the 2.7/10 spd.
Anyone else end up getting duped or was it just me?

I was already all-in on the 10-speed, so I don't know if that means I was duped from the start. If it's not a sports car, I'm not looking at a manual. Given the choice between an upgraded engine and manual, the upgraded engine wins every time.

 

[Rick Astley]

I was already all-in on the 10-speed, so I don't know if that means I was duped from the start. If it's not a sports car, I'm not looking at a manual. Given the choice between an upgraded engine and manual, the upgraded engine wins every time.

Exactly how we got to the point where ~20 different individual automobiles in the entire country come with a manual these days.

If there was some sort of retinal device, or perhaps a way to automatically spill scalding hot coffee into the lap of inattentive drivers "operating" an automatic transmission equipped vehicle (term used loosely), to force cognizant operation of their deadly machinery at frightening speeds, then I would be all for expansion of the automatic transmission.

But as they (AT transmissions) can reasonably be linked to harming traffic flow and driver attention, Then work on full automation to remove humans from the equation, or force humans to once again pay attention to their driving.

 

[timhood]

Exactly how we got to the point where ~20 different individual automobiles in the entire country come with a manual these days.

If there was some sort of retinal device, or perhaps a way to automatically spill scalding hot coffee into the lap of inattentive drivers "operating" an automatic transmission equipped vehicle (term used loosely), to force cognizant operation of their deadly machinery at frightening speeds, then I would be all for expansion of the automatic transmission.

But as they (AT transmissions) can reasonably be linked to harming traffic flow and driver attention, Then work on full automation to remove humans from the equation, or force humans to once again pay attention to their driving.

That's an interesting and totally unsupported opinion. Since you obviously drive a manual, you know that after time and experience, it becomes muscle memory and requires no more active brain participation. Besides, it's not like a driver is constantly shifting during normal driving. Given there are only so many things one could pay attention to, an argument (aka opinion) could be easily made that not having to shift frees up the brain to pay more attention to other, more important things.

 

[Bronco4lyfe85]

GenXer here...I take offense. lol. I'm 42 and the tail end of GenX. Driving manual cars for 25 years. I think it's more the Millennial generation that didn't learn stick. That is all.

Boomers go after everyone, they’re the perfect generation that set the world up for success but everyone else ruined it.

 

[Rick Astley]

That's an interesting and totally unsupported opinion. Since you obviously drive a manual, you know that after time and experience, it becomes muscle memory and requires no more active brain participation. Besides, it's not like a driver is constantly shifting during normal driving. Given there are only so many things one could pay attention to, an argument (aka opinion) could be easily made that not having to shift frees up the brain to pay more attention to other, more important things.

Only 1 in 3 cars is manual, actually. Daily driver is AT, worst daily driving experience in my life. Thankfully the lease expires about the time the Bronco will be delivered.

The '51 is 3-on-the-tree. A non-synchronized 1st gear will demand attention, but you're talking 0-10 mph with that gearing.

The NHTSA has announced a few other distracted driving studies they are conducting. One of them included transmission type among their data points. Being unable to compression brake and rely entirely upon throttle or brake results in a massive number of false-positive brake lights. That results in the self-perpetuating cycle of throttle/brake that has negatively impacted roadways. This phenomenon is observable daily. Now to have a federal study quantify it.

 

[jaspercasidino]

As a Millennial, I am apparently incapable of driving a vehicle with a manual transmission. I have also been skipping out on my avocado toast, so I can afford the $300 up charge for the 2.7L.

 

[Bronco4lyfe85]

Excellent, one less GenXer or Millennial that can't steal my Bronco...

Thats funny, that millennial will be the one that devises an electronic copy of your ignition to steal your car, I think what you meant was “boomer.” By the time they break the window and walk to use a pay phone to ask someone how to turn the car on the cops will have already shown up.

 

[Bronco4lyfe85]

As a Millennial, I am apparently incapable of driving a vehicle with a manual transmission. I have also been skipping out on my avocado toast, so I can afford the $300 up charge for the 2.7L.

I read something on a stone inscription about a manual transmission. What is that?

 

[WCP-82]

Only 1 in 3 cars is manual, actually. Daily driver is AT, worst daily driving experience in my life. Thankfully the lease expires about the time the Bronco will be delivered.

The '51 is 3-on-the-tree. A non-synchronized 1st gear will demand attention, but you're talking 0-10 mph with that gearing.

The NHTSA has announced a few other distracted driving studies they are conducting. One of them included transmission type among their data points. Being unable to compression brake and rely entirely upon throttle or brake results in a massive number of false-positive brake lights. That results in the self-perpetuating cycle of throttle/brake that has negatively impacted roadways. This phenomenon is observable daily. Now to have a federal study quantify it.

My scattered brained, ADHD daughter had two accidents in a MT, three in an AT. Totaled one MT and one AT. All her fault and all this before turning 23!!!! Her ADHD side misses driving a MT. She said it gave her something to do while driving. Her scatter brained side just went about clueless to her surroundings. Ultimately it was her driver inattention that did in her in.

I love that girl. She is very bright. Scored a good corporate job in Boca Raton at 24 but damn was it stressful raising her. I still cringe when she shows up on my caller ID. I hold my breath waiting for what her voice sounds like and if the first words will be "DAD, I.........."

 

[Mattwings]

I read something on a stone inscription about a manual transmission. What is that?

Was it on that third tablet that Moses brought down from the mount? I like both, but my experience with the current 10sp has been excellent. And I like ?, which are very hard to eat while driving with a manual. Plus, in my experience, auto off road is preferable to me overall. No judgement or being condescending to others. BTW, if you are in metro Detroit and get a 2.3 manual I will gladly hang out and swap vehicles so we can experience the alternative!!!!!

 

[Hoofnmouth]

This is pretty scientific, in an action movie when the whatever speeds off the soundtrack is always a manual chirping gears why ? More exciting.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm tired of the wait, don't care to wait for an unspecified amount if time for ManSquatch.
Currently considering dropping Squatch to bump up to BB or BD Mid pkg.
This thing still looks good on 32's and GREAT on 33's ..... and I'm nursing my loss of manual butthurt with the 2.7 V6! Lol

In summary:
Base 2.7 Squatch , lots of added options
or
BB/BD Mid 2.7 , non-Squatch, not many options needed.

 

[tlowell01]

Not even tempted a little by the AT. Driving my AT escape is just so much less engaging and fun than my ‘97 MT Ford Mustang. 4 cyl vs V6 is neither here nor there for me, the 4 cyl has more power and torque than any car my wife or I have owned.

And people wonder why manufacturers don’t offer MT’s. I believe this thread is exhibit A.

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