Bilstein 8112 DSA+ / Better than Hoss 3.0?

[F-Spot]

I want to ensure I understand this chart correctly. For a 4dr Badlands non-SAS, with 3/4" thread showing, the 8112's provide 2" of lift above stock (assuming I also start running 35s and replace the OEM 33s)?

I believe the measurements given are just for the change in height just from the suspension. The additional height you gain from changing tires will vary based on the tire you end up going with.

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[popo_patty]

I want to ensure I understand this chart correctly. For a 4dr Badlands non-SAS, with 3/4" thread showing, the 8112's provide 2" of lift above stock (assuming I also start running 35s and replace the OEM 33s)?

Also, thanks @popo_patty for the video. Fun to watch. I like the whoops. Where did you shoot the video? Would love to see someone offer up their Ride suspension as a comparison.

its 2” over stock plus whatever tire size change you net. A 33 to 35 will net an extra inch assuming true to size.

And thanks! It’s a place called Moonrocks, NV. I would love to do Ride shocks and make a similar video. I would even more so like to compare original tune to their newer, softer tune.

I’d personally like to run Ride myself on the old tune but I can’t afford a new shock setup at the moment. Rest assured I’ll make a video as soon as I have a decent candidate!

 

[BroncoStorm]

Such a fun day filming in the desert with you, @popo_patty . Honestly, I'm yet to hit the limits of what the 8112's are capable of. They are so confidence inspiring I'm scared of breaking something else . Can't wait to get more seat time in them and I'm so happy I didn't need to have fabrication work, hoops, bump stops, or limit straps installed to get that kind of performance. Bolt on performance FTW.

 

[Scott M]

Great video, it was fun to watch both suspensions work through the whoops. The 8112s were very impressive at higher speeds. Would be interesting to see a comparison with the BRaptor; Do the 8112s bridge the gap a bit? I'm also curious know if the JCO affects slow speed max articulation when crawling through terrain. Also, did you make any shock adjustments during the video?

 

[BroncoStorm]

Great video, it was fun to watch both suspensions work through the whoops. The 8112s were very impressive at higher speeds. Would be interesting to see a comparison with the BRaptor; Do the 8112s bridge the gap a bit? I'm also curious know if the JCO affects slow speed max articulation when crawling through terrain. Also, did you make any shock adjustments during the video?

I got the badlands due to the width and everyday drivability. The Braptor is great but it’s too wide for most trails and is geared if you have a lot of open desert nearby. The 8112’s certainly bridge the gap, they now make the bronco faster And more controlled offroad than I’m even comfortable utilizing. 70 over medium sized whoops is insane.

So with the JCO you simply back it all the way off for slow speed to get max articulation. It’s more than STOCK SAS.

For adjustments I went up two clicks for high speed in rear, one in the front and bumped the JCO up 2 clicks on all 4 corners and yes you really feel it. For street driving I’m at the baseline settings Bilstein provides and it’s very smooth and compliant but still sporty.

This is an example off top out and tuning that needs refined on the Braptor.

 

[popo_patty]

The world wants to see that in slo-mo.


“This is an example off top out and tuning that needs refined on the Braptor.”

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[Bilstein]

Here's a good explanation of the 8112: Bilstein 8112 DSA basics and how it affects the Tacoma, Tundra, 4runner, and F150 #4x4 #offroad

 

[popo_patty]

Here's a good explanation of the 8112: Bilstein 8112 DSA basics and how it affects the Tacoma, Tundra, 4runner, and F150 #4x4 #offroad

Great explanation! Are you able to speak at all about running these with 37’s on the Bronco? I know a ton of folks upgrade coilovers because they want to also run bigger tires. It usually goes hand in hand.

 

[Bilstein]

Great explanation! Are you able to speak at all about running these with 37’s on the Bronco? I know a ton of folks upgrade coilovers because they want to also run bigger tires. It usually goes hand in hand.

I think you'd want to go with fiberglass fenders in order to let the position-sensitive nature of the 8112s run in the correct ride zone. If you crank them up too high, you'd just be in the RCO all the time.

 

[Scott M]

I got the badlands due to the width and everyday drivability. The Braptor is great but it’s too wide for most trails and is geared if you have a lot of open desert nearby. The 8112’s certainly bridge the gap, they now make the bronco faster And more controlled offroad than I’m even comfortable utilizing. 70 over medium sized whoops is insane.
This is an example off top out and tuning that needs refined on the Braptor.

Good stuff thanks. These are definitely on my radar. Wild to see (and hear!) the Braptor top out like then oscillate - I'm guessing due to live valve acting only on the compression circuit. To be fair though that was a pretty harsh hit

 

[telenerd]

Talk me out of buying the 8112. Seriously considering them, but most of my driving is slow speed crawling. Would the 6112s be more then sufficient or they gonna be more harsh then my current Sas Bilstein shocks?

I think the stock shocks work well, they just blow through the travel easily on ledges and going down rock features. Considering the Bilstiens or other manufacturers. Some of the manufacturers their shocks are optimized for 37s which I am not interested in going 37s because it introduces a slew of other problems that need addressing.

 

[Bilstein]

Talk me out of buying the 8112. Seriously considering them, but most of my driving is slow speed crawling. Would the 6112s be more then sufficient or they gonna be more harsh then my current Sas Bilstein shocks?

I think the stock shocks work well, they just blow through the travel easily on ledges and going down rock features. Considering the Bilstiens or other manufacturers. Some of the manufacturers their shocks are optimized for 37s which I am not interested in going 37s because it introduces a slew of other problems that need addressing.

Either one gets you a nice ride improvement due to the big body and 60mm piston, but the difference is the 8112 having hydraulic bump stops on both ends. If you like to go really fast off-road, get the 8112s. If you don't like to party, get the 6112s.

Another factor is the 8112s being rebuildable, but the 6112s will likely last you so long you won't care.

I have 40k miles on our really heavy company Badlands with 6112s and they're doing great.

 

[Glenjafett]

I think you'd want to go with fiberglass fenders in order to let the position-sensitive nature of the 8112s run in the correct ride zone. If you crank them up too high, you'd just be in the RCO all the time.

I assume mostly the up travel that increases and causes issues with 37s?

I have 8112s on the way, and currently have 6100s on the 4th circlip front and back with 37 KO2s. So super mild lift over Sas. I know they are the smallest side of 37s. I currently have no rubbing issues, but I'm also not going full out in the desert. Like Popo stated, I'm wondering if a small body lift would help alleviate any issues.

Thanks!

 

[Night Horse]

The finally got the 8112's installed this past weekend.

First, I can definately see the increased lift. I went 1.4" in the front and 0.8" in the rear.

While I would not call the ride "cloud like", it does make a difference. Aired up, it felt more controlled and smoother on the streets with less brake dive, but offroad, it was still somewhat harsh in some sections, although noticeably improved.

Aired down, I ran the trails much faster than I would normally do and intentionally hit as many potholes as I could find, tried some heavily rocked roads, and tested some washouts and ditches for articulation. My first impressions are that the suspension feels like its glued more to the surface, smoothes out the rough edges, but seems to articulate about the same as stock. I was able to hussle down a rocked road much faster and still felt easily in control. It was sometimes comical to run over certain sections that I would have cringed at before... now it was pillowy. My only minor gripe is that I did hear the slight clanking noise from the JCO only under the most edged deep impacts, but not from milder ones.

I have no doubt that I will do more test and tune in the coming months.

 

[popo_patty]

The finally got the 8112's installed this past weekend.

First, I can definately see the increased lift. I went 1.4" in the front and 0.8" in the rear.

While I would not call the ride "cloud like", it does make a difference. Aired up, it felt more controlled and smoother on the streets with less brake dive, but offroad, it was still somewhat harsh in some sections, although noticeably improved.

Aired down, I ran the trails much faster than I would normally do and intentionally hit as many potholes as I could find, tried some heavily rocked roads, and tested some washouts and ditches for articulation. My first impressions are that the suspension feels like its glued more to the surface, smoothes out the rough edges, but seems to articulate about the same as stock. I was able to hussle down a rocked road much faster and still felt easily in control. It was sometimes comical to run over certain sections that I would have cringed at before... now it was pillowy. My only minor gripe is that I did hear the slight clanking noise from the JCO only under the most edged deep impacts, but not from milder ones.

I have no doubt that I will do more test and tune in the coming months.

Nice! My recommendation is to find a nice stretch of street and dirt that represents what you like to run and dial in all the settings for each terrain. That way you have a rough “go to” setting on all the goals for both street and dirt. It’s a lot of knobs to adjust!

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