ADV Production Modular Hardtop!

[Dialtone]

I'm not going to claim this is a fraudulent scheme (I just don't know), but in a ponzi scheme, the scheme itself eventually runs out of cash paying money back to customers. Generally, it's based on unrealistic or even impossible returns on investment, but also includes returning money invested or provided for services to prevent drawing attention.

In a payment scheme, the assumption is money is being spent (whether on running the company or extracting fraudulent income), so eventually the money to return cash can no longer be sustained. Bernie Madoff, for example, was caught when he could no longer make payments when the markets tanked and there was a run on his scheme. He also did return a lot of early investors money, some of which got clawed back by the bankruptcy courts.

So returning money is not indicative of lack of a scheme, and not necessarily that it's going to go badly when they don't make payments at some point. The point is, paying off the early investors or customers comes at the expense of the later ones, and it behooves a fraud scheme to placate those early investors/customers so that they don't raise an alarm and pull the scheme down.

If ADV never makes good on delivering enough of these tops to counterbalance the carry costs and other manufacturing/business costs, they could run out of funds to return. The question is, at what point and who decides it was a fraudulent scheme if that occurs?

Kinda like Social Security. Take the money. Piss away the money. The scare everyone by telling them the money is all gone so they need to pay more money to get 10% of their money back.
If you live that long.

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Shafted for sure.

 

[stampede1]

Again, how is it being shafted when you can get a refund at ANY TIME? I got my refund and moved on. They screwed up but nobody got shafted.

At this point-actually much, much earlier, ADV is still falsely advertising that their tops are in a normal production cycle in which customers can expect the tops timely when ADV knows full well that is false. Unfortunately many customers in the general public that do not have the benefit of this site's thread and the cringe-worthy nature of ADV 's top selling program will ignorantly buy that BS from ADV. In my book ADV is shafting customers by taking deposits without truth in advertising, being non-responsive in customer communications and operating unethically. In my book, that is shafting unsuspecting customers and current customers who have been waiting endlessly for their product. I call it shafting, you call it whatever you want, and if not shafting, what one word would you use to describe it?

 

[lapazleo]

Yet.

But I agree, currently no one has been officially shafted yet.

A broken promise is the same as being shafted to me.

 

[lapazleo]

At this point-actually much, much earlier, ADV is still falsely advertising that their tops are in a normal production cycle in which customers can expect the tops timely when ADV knows full well that is false. Unfortunately many customers in the general public that do not have the benefit of this site's thread and the cringe-worthy nature of ADV 's top selling program will ignorantly buy that BS from ADV. In my book ADV is shafting customers by taking deposits without truth in advertising, being non-responsive in customer communications and operating unethically. In my book, that is shafting unsuspecting customers and current customers who have been waiting endlessly for their product. I call it shafting, you call it whatever you want, and if not shafting, what one word would you use to describe it?

Thank you. You said exactly what I've been trying to point out.

 

[Ninjak]

Also when you consider any advertisements they have and comments are made, they erase the ones that talk about tops not shipping for the last two years. Says they are only showing relevant comments.

 

[HotdogThud]

The math is pretty easy on this. TOR mentioned recently that they had over 1000 orders and they have only been taking them for the last 5 months at most. I imagine ADV easily has this many orders if not double that. That means at $6-7K per top they easily have $6 - 10 million in customers money.

That is crazy for what is looking like aa 2+ yr scam/money grab. I mean look at some of the suckers' here on B6G (heck I was one until Oct). With all of the info available on their lies to customers and the trail of past failed companies they were part of (Glassworks) some of you still don't ask for your money back even with all of the info laid out for you, imagine how many instagram and FB suckers they have on the line.

The owner's son (?) was asking around some online forums a while back about buying retail space in Ohio, guess we know where the capital for that came from

 

[American Sender]

Again, how is it being shafted when you can get a refund at ANY TIME? I got my refund and moved on. They screwed up but nobody got shafted.

 

[Elonmsk]

The owner's son (?) was asking around some online forums a while back about buying retail space in Ohio, guess we know where the capital for that came from

Yep, saw the same thing. Couldn’t be more obvious.

 

[Kjbeggs]

Also when you consider any advertisements they have and comments are made, they erase the ones that talk about tops not shipping for the last two years. Says they are only showing relevant comments.

Every time I see that ADV ad with Homer Simpson disappearing into the bushes, I comment "ADV, when you ask when your hard top is shipping"...

 

[Sunday Money]

SHIPPED!!! (I'm joking) It's been awhile since checking-in on the ADV goat rope, any updates OTHER than more excuses?

 

[j_marinelli]

SHIPPED!!! (I'm joking) It's been awhile since checking-in on the ADV goat rope, any updates OTHER than more excuses?

I think the "20 day" update is either this Friday or next.

 

[Sunday Money]

At this point-actually much, much earlier, ADV is still falsely advertising that their tops are in a normal production cycle in which customers can expect the tops timely when ADV knows full well that is false. Unfortunately many customers in the general public that do not have the benefit of this site's thread and the cringe-worthy nature of ADV 's top selling program will ignorantly buy that BS from ADV. In my book ADV is shafting customers by taking deposits without truth in advertising, being non-responsive in customer communications and operating unethically. In my book, that is shafting unsuspecting customers and current customers who have been waiting endlessly for their product. I call it shafting, you call it whatever you want, and if not shafting, what one word would you use to describe it?

100% shafting When their website and social media continues to advertise 12-16 weeks for delivery, which has been the case for well over a year, yet they just CONTINUE AND CONTINUE to keep falsely advertising to the general public who is not aware of the bigger picture, that is current and future shafting in action (to say it politely).

 

[351W-Bronco]

I was curios to see if they talked on their website about the end user having to assemble the hardtop. Nothing specific (shocking), but I did find on the webpage below, at the bottom of the page, it still says "Made in the USA". It doesn't say 'assembled' it says 'made'.

https://www.advfiberglass.com/blogs/news/bronco-hardtop-q-a


Herb

 

[Snowdogyyz]

Update- “to better serve our customers, we’re going to a 30 day update instead of a 20 day update. That way you can wait a little longer for the anticipation of an update that’ll never come. As we sit here in the Bahamas appreciating your business please know that these amazing CAD drawings are the best in the biz!”

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