ADV Production Modular Hardtop!

[tock13]

Absolutely right. Clearly they are new at this and tried to outsource w/o having any experience in international manufacturing or business. When you try and get something like this off the ground on a shoestring budget and w/o hiring the proper consultants...well here we are and you get what you pay for. Too greedy and the whole thing might collapse.

They should have kept building them in house while waiting on manufacturing to kick in. What they really should have done was start up just south of the border like TOR has done. Could have been onsite setting this up and overseeing production. Instead, they are trusting that manufacturing gets set up properly on the other side of the planet and are waiting on shipments to arrive before seeing if quality is up to par.

Every cancelled order is one that won't ever come back. The demand seems high right now but they have invested in a product that really has limited buyers when you think about it. Those encouraged to order a soft top have aging Broncos and they are about to get an offer from Ford for an OEM top. ADV's price point of $7k is too high for the casual buyer looking to upgrade. After this initial surge of buyers the product only justifies moderate manufacturing capacity at most. This isn't a mobile phone that gets replaced every two or three years.

I totally agree with this. I ordered my ‘24 Bronco with dual tops and got it in 4 months from placing the order. There doesn’t seem to be a constraint on the hard tops like before. Once the owners who were forced to go with a soft top pick up an aftermarket hard top the demand for a $7k top will be next to nonexistent because folks will just go OEM off the lot. The typical Bronco buyer is going to want a rear wiper and defroster, especially for the prices of aftermarket tops.

I would love a top to replace my OEM top with a better quality quieter one but no way I’m paying $7k, especially knowing it’s most likely never going to materialize.

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[Kjbeggs]

I totally agree with this. I ordered my ‘24 Bronco with dual tops and got it in 4 months from placing the order. There doesn’t seem to be a constraint on the hard tops like before. Once the owners who were forced to go with a soft top pick up an aftermarket hard top the demand for a $7k top will be next to nonexistent because folks will just go OEM off the lot. The typical Bronco buyer is going to want a rear wiper and defroster, especially for the prices of aftermarket tops.

I would love a top to replace my OEM top with a better quality quieter one but no way I’m paying $7k, especially knowing it’s most likely never going to materialize.

Agreed, even though the ADV top is (theoretically) superior to the OEM top, you're paying a massive premium for that "upgrade".
If the Factory hardtop was a $4-5K option, I could see people ordering soft-tops, then going aftermarket for a better hardtop, but it's not.
The vast majority are going to just roll the dice and hope they get a good factory top, then play the warranty claim game if they don't.
I'm very pleased with the (actually black) color, style and performance of my aftermarket hard top, but I bought it because I had to forego the factory hardtop to get my Bronco built back in 2022.

 

[cr117]

Maybe not but they're still advertising and taking money for a product with a questionable existence. So with that said there still are possibly legal issues in question here based on principals and ethics rather than finances.

I don't think there is any legal grounds to sue for taking money for pre-orders, no matter how long it takes them to come to market. Is it ethical? In my opinion, no. Is it legal? Yes.

Now, if they decide to one day stop issuing refunds, that's a whole different story. As long as the refund is offered, that can be seen as a remedy to a customer's claimed damages, therefor, no legal grounding to sue.

 

[Kjbeggs]

I don't think there is any legal grounds to sue for taking money for pre-orders, no matter how long it takes them to come to market. Is it ethical? In my opinion, no. Is it legal? Yes.

Now, if they decide to one day stop issuing refunds, that's a whole different story. As long as the refund is offered, that can be seen as a remedy to a customer's claimed damages, therefor, no legal grounding to sue.

Their written policy, from day one of this debacle was "No Refunds", even though they have offered them after missing their delivery deadlines by over a year.
So, if they were to decide to enforce their original policy, AND still listed the product as "In production", just how long could they drag that out, from a legal standpoint?

 

[cr117]

Their written policy, from day one of this debacle was "No Refunds", even though they have offered them after missing their delivery deadlines by over a year.
So, if they were to decide to enforce their original policy, AND still listed the product as "In production", just how long could they drag that out, from a legal standpoint?

IANAL, but if you've waited longer than the advertised lead time (at time of purchase), they still haven't shipped, and they decide to enforce the no refunds policy, then yes, I think you'd have legal grounds.

 

[CTwaterfowler]

ITS THE MAGIC FRIDAY

I keep checking my email to see if the status update has been sent out yet

lets all hope that ADV at least keeps up the communication.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DAMN THING MOVE OUT OF P R O D U C T I O N.

I wonder if they are holding everything up to get ALL the orders, even recent ones out of production , before the go into the next stage/// normally one would expect the movement to another stage to be done by batches...... however this isn't a normal situation.

good luck to us , maybe the luck of the Irish will bring us our tops

 

[Kjbeggs]

ITS THE MAGIC FRIDAY

I keep checking my email to see if the status update has been sent out yet

lets all hope that ADV at least keeps up the communication.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DAMN THING MOVE OUT OF P R O D U C T I O N.

I wonder if they are holding everything up to get ALL the orders, even recent ones out of production , before the go into the next stage/// normally one would expect the movement to another stage to be done by batches...... however this isn't a normal situation.

good luck to us , maybe the luck of the Irish will bring us our tops

I got a notification that you posted and hoped to see you got some good news.
Alas, it was just “no news” (which is not good news).

 

[CTwaterfowler]

thanks for thinking of me.

enjoying your TOR top I imagine.

Im really not looking forward to another Easter drive on rt 95 with the noise from the soft top.

2 of my friends drove his Daughters 22 Bronco soft top from CT to Colorado. His wife asked me to call him every day while he was on the road. WOW background noise was horrendous, I could hardly hear them yelling (they were doing 80mph) over the noise. He admitted that after a while they got used to the constant noise but both of them had headaches at night from the noise.
so in retrospect, my little trip upstate NY is nothing compared to that trip.

 

[Rd1103]

thanks for thinking of me.

enjoying your TOR top I imagine.

Im really not looking forward to another Easter drive on rt 95 with the noise from the soft top.

2 of my friends drove his Daughters 22 Bronco soft top from CT to Colorado. His wife asked me to call him every day while he was on the road. WOW background noise was horrendous, I could hardly hear them yelling (they were doing 80mph) over the noise. He admitted that after a while they got used to the constant noise but both of them had headaches at night from the noise.
so in retrospect, my little trip upstate NY is nothing compared to that trip.

All I have to say is that I applaud you for your patience. I know there's a lot of negativity on this thread (and this will continue until promises made are promises kept) but I really hope that regardless of what you decide, that you end up with a hardtop solution as soon as possible.

 

[BroncoBoy22]

All I have to say is that I applaud you for your patience. I know there's a lot of negativity on this thread (and this will continue until promises made are promises kept) but I really hope that regardless of what you decide, that you end up with a hardtop solution as soon as possible.

No doubt! CT is a good dude with a lot of patience. I myself will stop being as negative for his sake and the sake of other folks waiting on their tops.

if it’s any consolation for the folks still waiting I did see the ADV one piece top in person today (I was in the area), and it is solid and quality. Hopefully they get them delivered soon

 

[CTwaterfowler]

No doubt! CT is a good dude with a lot of patience. I myself will stop being as negative for his sake and the sake of other folks waiting on their tops.

if it’s any consolation for the folks still waiting I did see the ADV one piece top in person today (I was in the area), and it is solid and quality. Hopefully they get them delivered soon

by any chance, whilst you were there, did you get the opportunity to ask them what their ETA on the tops is. I would assume it would be the standard company line, but you never know
Thanks for the good thoughts, i am at the end of my rope and can only wait. My wife said getting upset doesn't help , BUT IT MAKES ME HAPPY GETTING IT OUT

 

[BroncoBoy22]

by any chance, whilst you were there, did you get the opportunity to ask them what their ETA on the tops is. I would assume it would be the standard company line, but you never know
Thanks for the good thoughts, i am at the end of my rope and can only wait. My wife said getting upset doesn't help , BUT IT MAKES ME HAPPY GETTING IT OUT

I didn’t get a chance to talk to the owner, just saw their rig at a shop I was doing some business at. If I run into them I’ll be sure to ask

 

[CTwaterfowler]

I didn’t get a chance to talk to the owner, just saw their rig at a shop I was doing some business at. If I run into them I’ll be sure to ask

thanks, damn that top looks nice.

 

[O-BRONCO-O]

Just got the update email.. Still in production

 

[Jerseybraptor]

Everyday I see adv sponsored ad's. I have never seen a company so quickly delete customer comments instead of replying to them. If you notice every ad on fb or YouTube shows total comment count but they all get deleted so quickly. I'm shocked so many people even want to do business with a company like this. I now understand why they went under and rebranded as advanced fiberglass.

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