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Most on this forum seem to be intelligent and reasonable people but for those who think this is only a Ford issue you can do a quick Google search and find many pictures of GM trucks, SUVs and sedans along with Ford and other manufacturer vehicles sitting on lots, similar to Ice Mountain, waiting for chips. A good friend of mine just tried to order a new Chevy High Country dually and was told by the world‘s largest GM dealer in northern ID that he’s up to 12 months out but that was pure speculation on his part and he really didn’t know. He did tell my friend that GM/Chevy are leasing vacant lots at shut down malls and other places to store trucks waiting for chips.

That said it’s obvious Ford, GM and other manufacturers are continuing to run manufacturing lines and stock pile vehicles that are short chips. Their alternative is to shut down lines temporarily and either pay or furlough workers then attempt to shut off the supply chain for all other components to prevent stock piling nearly complete sets of materials for unassembled vehicles. In manufacturing once capacity is lost it‘s never recovered so in the case of chip shortages the best solution is to build, hold and wait for chips. This is the tactic we used in the smaller, $5 billion, company I worked at for a long time. We were often criticized for doing this by consultants who told us the auto industry would never result to such inefficient practices but would rather ensure 100% material availability. But, I visited several automotive plants during my career and the people on the ground readily admitted they’d build short a part and move vehicles to the parking lot for a short period of time waiting for the part so this isn’t a new practice it’s just never been done this widespread.

In summary, and in support of speculation of some on this thread, when the parts came in they’d prioritize the lines and feed excess parts to the previous built units in the holding areas. This is the most efficient practice since you don’t have to touch the units running down the line later; it’s also what we did. The factory I worked in wasn‘t in the auto industry but did, and still does, share many common suppliers and contract manufacturers such as Foxconn and Flex.
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My understanding after reading the dirt mountain post and now the ice mountain post is that the reason FORD isn't finishing 2021 "built" vehicles and some 2022 Built vehicles is that the energy/effort and cost to finish the partially completed broncos doesn't make financial sense when they can easily complete new builds as they are completed off the assembly line? I imagine they have some tax advantage on their balance sheet where FORD makes money on the stockpiled Ice Mountain Broncos ...probably using some COVID relief money or some nonsense like that.....I am interested in hearing from the FORD people on the forum...Please educate me/us if this is the case...I understand suppply chain issues...no chips...means no broncos...but how are any vehicles ...especially Broncos being built and shipped and delivered before earlier builds?
I understand your frustration, as someone who waited 4 months on Dirt Mountain I truly do. Unfortunately though, Ford keep the assembly line moving at all cost. If they have a fresh batch of chips arrive, they go to the line first and any remainder go to Ice Mountian.

I know it doesn't help us but it keeps our union friends at MAP working vs a shutdown (Ice Mountain Bronco's are either fixed in place or in the Mod Shop, not brought back to the Assembly Line).

Ford will try to do FIFO (First In First Out) according to Build Date of those on Ice Mountain but with Dirt Mountain that approach was hit or miss.

Depending on what Chip is actually the constrant (there are dozens in a Lux model) it may be as simple as popping it in right on Ice Mountain or transportation to the Mod Ship may be required.

Should the Mod shop be required you are also fighting against the new Line builds having to have accessories installed there.

This may take a while.
 

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OMG! Funny but not funny. I LOVE THAT ICE MOUNTAIN BADGE!!! Somebody please make stickers of that! PS. mine is stuck there too.
Ditto.. for a missing chip.
 

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Has there been an official statement from FORD on what is going on here and how it will affect current and ongoing/future production? Will MAP slow down production to prevent further "storage" of un-shippable Broncos?????? @Ford Motor Company
 

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Most on this forum seem to be intelligent and reasonable people but for those who think this is only a Ford issue you can do a quick Google search and find many pictures of GM trucks, SUVs and sedans along with Ford and other manufacturer vehicles sitting on lots, similar to Ice Mountain, waiting for chips.
sad but true- i looked in the inventory of the ford dealers around me and none of them have any vehicles. it's not just broncos that are missing- my dealer currently has a total of 6 vehicles in inventory and the best selling vehicle, the f 150, he literally has 1 in stock to sell. it's brutal out there for vehicles
 

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I understand your frustration, as someone who waited 4 months on Dirt Mountain I truly do. Unfortunately though, Ford keep the assembly line moving at all cost. If they have a fresh batch of chips arrive, they go to the line first and any remainder go to Ice Mountian.

I know it doesn't help us but it keeps our union friends at MAP working vs a shutdown (Ice Mountain Bronco's are either fixed in place or in the Mod Shop, not brought back to the Assembly Line).

Ford will try to do FIFO (First In First Out) according to Build Date of those on Ice Mountain but with Dirt Mountain that approach was hit or miss.

Depending on what Chip is actually the constrant (there are dozens in a Lux model) it may be as simple as popping it in right on Ice Mountain or transportation to the Mod Ship may be required.

Should the Mod shop be required you are also fighting against the new Line builds having to have accessories installed there.

This may take a while.
You’re spot on!

To add I can promise Ford is evaluating the time it’ll take to add the missing part and if it requires to much effort or disruption they‘d move that particular vehicle‘s build date out. Of course, this all assumes Ford knew about the issue in time to adjust but if they got a bad batch of chips and didn’t find out until late in the production process all bets are off for the units in process or in the near term “frozen“ (no pun intended
) portion of the production schedule.

I’d hate to be working in an auto manufacturer’s scheduling department right now
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Most on this forum seem to be intelligent and reasonable people but for those who think this is only a Ford issue you can do a quick Google search and find many pictures of GM trucks, SUVs and sedans along with Ford and other manufacturer vehicles sitting on lots, similar to Ice Mountain, waiting for chips. A good friend of mine just tried to order a new Chevy High Country dually and was told by the world‘s largest GM dealer in northern ID that he’s up to 12 months out but that was pure speculation on his part and he really didn’t know. He did tell my friend that GM/Chevy are leasing vacant lots at shut down malls and other places to store trucks waiting for chips.

That said it’s obvious Ford, GM and other manufacturers are continuing to run manufacturing lines and stock pile vehicles that are short chips. Their alternative is to shut down lines temporarily and either pay or furlough workers then attempt to shut off the supply chain for all other components to prevent stock piling nearly complete sets of materials for unassembled vehicles. In manufacturing once capacity is lost it‘s never recovered so in the case of chip shortages the best solution is to build, hold and wait for chips. This is the tactic we used in the smaller, $5 billion, company I worked at for a long time. We were often criticized for doing this by consultants who told us the auto industry would never result to such inefficient practices but would rather ensure 100% material availability. But, I visited several automotive plants during my career and the people on the ground readily admitted they’d build short a part and move vehicles to the parking lot for a short period of time waiting for the part so this isn’t a new practice it’s just never been done this widespread.

In summary, and in support of speculation of some on this thread, when the parts came in they’d prioritize the lines and feed excess parts to the previous built units in the holding areas. This is the most efficient practice since you don’t have to touch the units running down the line later; it’s also what we did. The factory I worked in wasn‘t in the auto industry but did, and still does, share many common suppliers and contract manufacturers such as Foxconn and Flex.
" Most on this forum seem to be intelligent and reasonable people". I'm not so sure anymore. With the number of people Freaking Out because they see broncos parked around a factory is crazy. Broncos are delayed for a myriad or reasons, so is most everything else!
 

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Well đŸ’©...
 

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Has there been an official statement from FORD on what is going on here and how it will affect current and ongoing/future production? Will MAP slow down production to prevent further "storage" of un-shippable Broncos??????
Answer is obviously no to both.

With the number of people Freaking Out because they see broncos parked around a factory is crazy. Broncos are delayed for a myriad or reasons, so is most everything else!
You don't understand why "built" Broncos that had a delivery date within a couple weeks suddenly showing delivery dates of mid-May (without any communication from Ford) might upset some people?
 

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WELCOME TO ICE MOUNTAIN (Dirt Mountain v2.0)

To join the Ice Mountain Tracker - Fill out Google From here: https://forms.gle/T7SbqYBDhCqsEqaUA
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Hey all, CO-Bronco here đŸ€ . With Dirt Mountain officially closed out I started thinking about our #NoBroncoLeftBehind slogan.
There seems to be a whole bunch of lost souls that have had their Broncos stuck "In-Production" and even "Built" for reasons completely unrelated to the MIC v1.0 failure that was announced back in August. For a while most of us thought it was just Shipping delays... but with many MY2022's being shipped within a week of Built notification it quickly became evident something else is going on.


I'm hoping this Ice Mountain tracker serves two main purposes:
1. To collect enough Data Points to highlight potential production issue

2. Serve as a place for those stuck "In-Production" to find community and blow off some steam long after their respective Build Weeks threads get abandoned by their old "Delivered" pals.


The Dirt Mountain Tracker thread has received over 425,000 page views with >7,000 posts.
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To kill the time while we waited for our Bronco's to be released we had some awesome activities such as friendly wagers on "Built" status dates, competitions on who gets stuck on the Mountain the longest (with a bottle of the victors choosing as the reward, and of course meme's galore to go around.

But ultimately the best thing to come out of the DM thread was the Tips and Tricks that goes into Tracking what on earth is going on with your Bronco.
I'm convinced that the vast majority of websites, trackers, & backdoors that are floating around the various B6G Build Week threads originated in the DM Tracker.

I am hoping with the creation of the Ice Mountain Tracker that even more Tips and Tricks will be discovered and we will continue to at the forefront of providing valuable information for the Bronco community at large.

And like all things community driver - If anyone has any ideas or suggestions on what can make the tracker please let me know!


Potential Issues as to why Broncos are at Ice Mountain

Chips chips chips. That's the #1 theory right now.
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/broncos-galore-spotted-in-holding-yard.35385/page-2

Also, some proof of other issues at MAP are @VoltageDrop's Active Shutter Wiring Harness & also his Intercooler Hose"
It's probably too late to add now due to the large number of people who have already entered their data, but I would be very curious to see if there is a prevailing package level associated with the delay also. For instance are a large number of these the "Lux Package" due to a missing chip associated with the ACC, or 12 inch screen, etc.
 

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sad but true- i looked in the inventory of the ford dealers around me and none of them have any vehicles. it's not just broncos that are missing- my dealer currently has a total of 6 vehicles in inventory and the best selling vehicle, the f 150, he literally has 1 in stock to sell. it's brutal out there for vehicles
Welcome to the "New Normal".
 

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I understand your frustration, as someone who waited 4 months on Dirt Mountain I truly do. Unfortunately though, Ford keep the assembly line moving at all cost. If they have a fresh batch of chips arrive, they go to the line first and any remainder go to Ice Mountian.

I know it doesn't help us but it keeps our union friends at MAP working vs a shutdown (Ice Mountain Bronco's are either fixed in place or in the Mod Shop, not brought back to the Assembly Line).

Ford will try to do FIFO (First In First Out) according to Build Date of those on Ice Mountain but with Dirt Mountain that approach was hit or miss.

Depending on what Chip is actually the constrant (there are dozens in a Lux model) it may be as simple as popping it in right on Ice Mountain or transportation to the Mod Ship may be required.

Should the Mod shop be required you are also fighting against the new Line builds having to have accessories installed there.

This may take a while.
I appreciate the information and response. You could help FORD deliver a message to their customers. Cheers
 

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Yikes! I certainly hope this one clears faster than dirt mountain. I'll say an extra prayer for you soft tops. :oops:
I'm tagging this on to your post as you are a fellow 2 door VCD (very cool dude).

I sorted the Ice Chips spreadsheet for 2 doors only:

21%Two Door
54%Two Door, Non-Sas
56%Two Door, Sas
20%Two Door, 2.3L; Auto
25%Two Door, 2.3L; Man
55%Two Door, 2.7L; Man

So ... 21% of the spreadsheet entrants are 2 doors, 56% of the 2 doors are Squatch, 45% of the 2 doors are 2.3L and 55% of the 2 dos doors are compensating for something with the 2.7L.
 

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Answer is obviously no to both.



You don't understand why "built" Broncos that had a delivery date within a couple weeks suddenly showing delivery dates of mid-May (without any communication from Ford) might upset some people?
I'm in the January 31st build week and the email made it clear delays were possible, which I took to mean likely. Being upset is one thing, freaking out is another. We live in a time of empty shelves and stores closing because of legalized theft. Consider yourself lucky to have a build date, many don't! That said, I was referring to the people freaking out over broncos parked at the factory, has nothing to do with build dates.
 

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It's probably too late to add now due to the large number of people who have already entered their data, but I would be very curious to see if there is a prevailing package level associated with the delay also. For instance are a large number of these the "Lux Package" due to a missing chip associated with the ACC, or 12 inch screen, etc.
I have a Base/Base 4door model on Ice Mountain, this is not just about packages.
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