7 speed Manuel Vs 10 speed Auto.

[JoeSpeed]

Who the hell wants an automatic with this? Automatics are just generic and boring, dime a dozen, no effort to drive one at all.

Be fun and unique, get a damn stick

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[BFizzy]

If you like to be driven, get an automatic. If you like to drive, get a manual.

 

[goatman]

BTW, I was looking at the overall crawl ratios between the stick and the auto. On a base non-squatch manual the overall crawl ratio is 79.9, and assuming many more people who get an auto will also get Sasquatch or a higher level model with the auto t-case and lower low range ratio (2.72 vs 3.06), the auto overall crawl ratio is 67.8. In rock crawling we figure that in very slow technical maneuvering the torque converter effectively doubles the crawl ratio because of the slip at very low stall speeds.

Also, for rock crawling with a manual trans, it has long been considered that a minimum of 100 to 1 crawl ratios was desired. Interestingly, with the auto t-case in the higher level models or if they allow a manual with squatch, with the lower 3.06 t-case ratio the overall crawl ratio goes to 94.7 which is pretty close to 100.

Just a bit of comparative info for those who might be interested.

 

[goatman]

If you like to be driven, get an automatic. If you like to drive, get a manual.

Cute, but bullshit.

 

[Thed]

If I were sticking to a rock crawling rig, then I'd absolutely go automatic. That's the one big place that the manual is clearly inferior compared to an automatic and its torque converter.

As far as the city driving goes, I wouldn't have blamed you if you went automatic for it. Then I drove one. The Bronco is seriosuly one of the easiest manuals I've ever driven. Much easier than my old, creamy five-speed '01 Rodeo. Plus, you can basically use the crawler gear as a bumper-to-bumper gear if traffic is that bad.

See if you can find a manual mannequin sitting on a dealer lot. A lot of them seem to be Cyber Orange Lux Package Badlands 4-doors, for some reason. Try it out and see if it's something you want to drive every day or not.

 

[Rcarpen22]

I honestly think if you’re asking this question, you should be buying the auto. There is no logical reason to buy the manual (or Manuel). You buy it if you love driving and can’t fathom the thought of buying an auto when a stick is available. I’ve talked to people who said they switched to auto to get the V6. More power to them. If the auto could be had with a coyote and the stick only came with a 200hp 4 cylinder, I’d still get the stick. But I am buying purely as a fun vehicle. That also has to factor in. If I had to use the Bronco as my daily driver and had a nasty commute in stop and go traffic, I’d still get the stick, but I’d get luxe for the adaptive cruise.

Edit: To sum up, there are weirdos out there who just irrationally love driving a stick. The auto is a better option for most people (which is why sticks are dying).

 

[AJKitebrder40]

I'll say this - I have only had 3 vehicles - '89 XJ (manual), '93 Toyota Pickup (manual), '07 JKU (automatic) - my wife talked me into it at the time. I really miss having a manual, it's just more enjoyable and.........with distractions everywhere in normal everyday traffic, it's nice to have something to keep you extra focused on driving.

That and.......it's cheaper, use that money on something else.

 

[Techun]

But also, if you have the MT you’ll be thought of as a manly man or a cool chick!

I have to say, I've only owned manual vehicles and literally no one cares or is impressed. Maybe men over 70 and boys under 12.

 

[Rahkmalla]

I have to say, I've only owned manual vehicles and literally no one cares or is impressed. Maybe men over 70 and boys under 12.

When people find out a car of mine is stick they either say "I wish I knew how to drive one" or "doesn't that get tiring in stop and go traffic?"

The number of people who actually enjoy driving stick all the time, even in traffic, seem to be very low. I'm one of them but I don't know anyone else in person who feels the same.

 

[Rizz512]

I have to say, I've only owned manual vehicles and literally no one cares or is impressed. Maybe men over 70 and boys under 12.

Agreed, also hearing the boomer joke of a manuals being a anti theft device from melllenials lol .. I fall into the mellenials category (late 30s) I and all my fellow late 30s friends can all drive stick.

 

[MaverickMan]

The auto will overheat one day and die. Or piss fluid in 8 years when a cooling line goes unexpectedly. It will probably just seep a lil, till your trans is burned up before you knew you had a problem.

 

[BrentC]

I’ll wade into this one with another couple of thoughts, based on my experience and observations.

First, Americans and Canadians are lazy when it comes to driving and driving preferences. Compared to vehicles driven in Europe and Asia, ours are larger, higher powered and cushier. Again, this in general. In areas where petrol is very expensive and cars/lorries/trucks are smaller and lighter, manual transmissions dominate. I also believe Europeans in particular are better drivers, and prefer manual transmissions. It’s just the way it is.

Second, in recent years I’ve seen the quality of drivers here in Canada degrade markedly as more and more driving nannies are built into the vehicles. The first snowfall of the year in Calgary inevitably leads to a traffic shitshow - traction control, stability control and throttle maps all enable inexperienced drivers to launch effortlessly, but the problem arises when they try to stop. No nannies can violate physics and the coefficient of friction between rubber and ice. I believe the sound-insulated, climate-controlled, driving-assisted boxes we’re all used to driving make many drivers dangerous weapons. I don’t think many people appreciate the machine they are (barely) able to control using their own skills. I think many people on the road today would be incapable of driving in winter conditions without their car making most of the decisions for them. This makes the road more dangerous for the same reasons.

I often remark in disgust to my kids when we’re in traffic that “These luxury cars come with everything, so why does a turn signal indicator seem to be an optional item no one gets?” Again, people in their comfy boxes are not as aware of their surroundings as they should be.

As someone who wants less electronic interference with my driving for a number of reasons, I prefer to drive three-pedal. I optioned up where I think the wizardry is beneficial (360 camera, in particular) as that may save me some effort getting out to scope the surroundings when in tricky terrain. I likely will still get out and do inspections until my confidence in the cameras grows.

So, with the top down, doors off Bronco, auto or manual, I think eveyone will become more aware of what’s happening outside their vehicles. It seems in general the 7MT folks are those who’ve had manuals before and like the experience. For me, I need the connection to the mechanics of the vehicle to really enjoy the driving experience.

 

[BroncoRaptor]

TRANSMISSION CHOICES

The 7-speed manual transmission is a class-exclusive(2) feature that comes standard with the 2.3L EcoBoost® I-4 in most Bronco models. Here are a few key facts:
• The 7-speed transmission is more like a 6+1 setup with six driving gears and a crawler gear for low-speed trail driving or rock climbing
• Crawl ratio of up to 94.75:1 in 4L • Includes Hill Descent ControlTM

The 10-speed automatic transmission with SelectShift® is an option with the 2.3L EcoBoost I-4. It is always paired with the available 2.7L EcoBoost V6 and with the Advanced 4x4 System. The 10-speed automatic:
• Includes Trail ControlTM and Trail Turn Assist when paired with the 2.3L EcoBoost I-4 engine
• Adds Trail One-Pedal Drive Driving when paired with the 2.7L EcoBoost V6 engine
• Crawl ratio of 67.80:1 crawl in 4L


My 2 cents: you loose a lot by going with a manual - can’t get the 2.7 - don’t get Trail Control - don’t get One-Pedal Drive driving. Your passengers get a jerky ride. And you need to keep your left hand in the steering wheel at all times.

 

[Colt Bronco]

My Bronco has the manual and it is very easy to drive in traffic. Just let the clutch out until it starts rolling and apply brake as needed. The automatic is probably more efficient and faster, but rowing gears is fun.

I think a better debate is 2.7 vs. 2.3 because if you aren't going to get the manual you might as well get more power.

 

[Bradley Thornton]

Disclaimer I'm more of a race car guy and only rock crawl my street legal SXS.

I had to do a little research but as I figured its the same as the racing world.

3 stages in levels

I am level 1 this is my wife's 2nd ride and she can't drive a stick I bought her a jeep to learn and she just want do it. I have a 93 cobra with a T56 manual I street and drag race. So I have my toy already this is hers I just get to use it I also want to pay more attention to the view and the kids in this world like I do on my SXS.

1st level new to rock crawling or lazy (Auto) (I'm not trying to hate I'm in this group just keeping it real)
An Auto is easier no way around it and will make it better for the new guys to watch the lines closer. Or for the new guy to enjoy watching the others closer as to learn or maybe laugh at them.

2nd level this is really the best world to have fun and enjoy your ride (Manual)
The manual is harder to drive and for that reason alone make it more over all fun. If you are good enough to know the lines it will add an extra level of challenge to the ride. Now the down side to this is you want enjoy the other parts that the trail sometimes has to offer as in the view or kids in the back. You maybe paying attention to the fact you maybe about to need to up shift or down shift.
(If you don't know how to drive a manual thats just another reason to do it, it will be fun to learn)

3rd this is the extreme rock crawler maybe .01% of this group, first gear ratio doesn't matter to this guy he is going to change them regardless and lower them. This guy shouldn't be using the Bronco at all because at this level you need a full roll cage and as low of a center of gravity as you can get. This is guys with true rock crawlers built just for that reason. (My SXS is level 3)

Good read that goes into better detail
https://offroadmanual.com/rock-crawling-automatic-vs-manual/

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