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Agree with everything but I'd have walked to civilization (cell coverage) and called the wife. I need the exercise and she's doing nothing but sitting home watching TV. 🤣 Tom

Assumption wrong unless you brought a rock in with you to smash your way into the locked glove box or center console. How hard is it to understand with no FOB, no cell coverage, and keypad not working you aren't going anywhere? :wink: Tom

... and then with no FOB and no cell coverage what would you do??? Still lose, but have a place to sit! 🤣 Tom

Again, no - that won't work as the vehicle also HAS to HAVE cell service for the app to do anything. It's a two way cell communication requirement. "The vehicle's confirmation, depends on a constant connection between your phone, the FordPass servers, and your vehicle's FordPass Connect modem."...

... then move the vehicle to that spot so you can unlock the doors and start the vehicle. ... but a terrible vehicle ignition source. Sorry but in that situation it appears to me the only solution is to get a key/ FOB. Tom

Uh... don't think so: "Yes, unlocking a Ford with the FordPass App requires cell service for both your phone and your vehicle, as the app communicates through Ford's cloud servers via a cellular connection." The "Phone as a Key" feature uses Bluetooth for short-range proximity, but the...

If I can carry a firearm I can certainly make a kid carry the FOB. 🤣 Tom

But.... the FM is on the touchscreen. 😳

Guess so ... :unsure: Coming from Jeep. :)

My Base 2 Door. Probably will stay that way. :wink: Tom

I guess my question was about battery state and tender operation then. I thought battery state was determined by measuring battery voltage and a tender didn't care whether the amp flow was in or out ... Tom

I appreciate the reply, but it doesnt answer the question; why is the counting of whatever different when the ground is terminal or frame point? Ground is ground. I will have to accept it's a chicken or egg situation. :unsure: Probably a case of my wife's usual answer; "don't ask because you...

Good question, I've always hooked tenders up to the terminals and never had a problem. Tom