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It's highly upsetting to see Ford deride a dealership for offering a good deal but say nothing about dealers screwing customers with last minute upcharges. Ford strategy seems to be: 1) Big city dealers that serve a largely captive wealthy market are good, it's great that they can use this...

Anyone subjected to things like this should quickly file a complaint with the state car dealer licensing board and any relevant state attorneys. Anytime you are defrauded by a dealership in any way you should do this, even down to the point of when you are bait and switched into coming to the...

Ford seems to have uniquely bad dealers. The Bronco is the third time that I tried to buy a Ford car and had the deal killed due to dealer shenanigans. In this case, my dealer waited until the Bronco showed up and added $5k, but in the past there were other things like lying about vehicle...

I can totally understand dealers adding markup to vehicles, but this guy put down a $1000 deposit for a vehicle and was blindsided with a price increase. I would have flipped and lawyered up. allocations were based heavily on reservations too, so it’s not like he was taking up a scarce allocation.

No signed order agreement, but Grangers first email to me was within a few minutes of reserving and they explicitly said the order would be invoice -$1000. I’m sure when I put in an actual order for MY2022 they will formally extend the pricing.

He got the Hank Hill special!

My dealer pulled this and my advice is to not play the dealership game unless you desperately need a car NOW. These will be all over the place in the next few years, there’s no way it’s worth getting hosed by a dealer and potentially being upside down on a loan in the future. I walked away and...

Insane that these dealerships are marking up Broncos beyond what a VERY nicely equipped Lanrdrover Defender costs. At $115k, you can get a 2dr supercharged V8 from Land Rover lmao.

I'm torn on this. I love my Model 3, but owning multiple vehicles as a single person w/o kids is logistically annoying. For the subtle financial flex that seems popular in this thread: I sell weekly covered calls on 2k shares of Ford stock that roughly equal my expected payment lol.

I have no idea what the market is for an $80k Bronco. I can get a very nicely equipped Land Rover defender for the same money, or practically any other SUV I want at a lower price. My dealer is attempting to sell my order for $30k ADM after I declined to pay $5k ADM. they are delusional.

I don't think it has even arrived at the dealer yet. It's supposed to show up by Friday. I am not sure if they have sold it yet, I doubt it if they are hinging the decision on $30k markup for a not particularly rare soft top Bronco. They immediately decided to cancel my order when i refused to...

I don't want to post my text messages with the dealer, but I said I would be happy to drop everything and come purchase at MSRP, but would not be willing to pay any markup. They went ahead and canceled my order after that. I never asked them to cancel my order.

Yes, my order was "canceled" in the sense that I refused to pay $5k over MSRP. Fremont Ford is terrible. RIP anyone else who put in a reservation with them and doesn't want to pay $5k ADM. I feel bad that my reservation helped get them additional allocations (30% of reservation count counts...

Consumer sentiment dropped sharply in August and September is traditionally slow for auto sales. I would not be surprised at all if a lot of dealers charging huge ADM quietly drop them after labor day.

Imagine the memories created by taking a bronco from Des Moines, over the rocky mountains and through the sierra nevadas to California. Can't beat that!

If you already ordered, not much you can do. I made a new reservation at Granger, but the reservation system is closed now :( I think the auto market will slow down in September so it’s possible there might be a pullback, but if these guys manage to get $30k ADM, the market is truly on fire and...

I wasn’t clear earlier, saving 10% sales tax on the difference between $5k ADM and Grangers $1k below invoice is substantial.

if I wanted to spend $80k, I’d have a Land Rover defender that was already delivered six months ago. Dealers are delusional. I don’t blame people for Jumping on people and offering good advice to get price locked down.

I agree totally, and am one of the rich techies myself, but it’s insane what people are willing to pay for something that isn’t really that scarce. High auto prices and sales above MSRP are setting up the next financial crisis when a bunch of risk is mispriced and loan to value balloons.

Agree 100%. They are great so far and their central US location means I’ll probably just use them from now on for anything Ford no matter where I live.