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I'm glad that heated seats comes with the mid package as that's the only package that I planned to order. I don't feel as strongly about having a heated steering wheel. Id like to have it but not at the cost of upgrading to the Lux package.

7 hours, 8 minutes, 41 seconds. 351 miles.

It sounds like the BD is better for your needs between the 2 options although with the limited off roading that you plan to do, there are a number of features that won't be used and I'd personally look at a different trim. There's almost too many choices.

I still don't trust that the B&P is accurate. There are still some inconsistencies between the site and other documents on their website. For example, rock rails on the Black Diamond. I just hope that my final build doesn't have any surprises when it comes time to pay.

My wife's Dodge Challenger is the same.

Isn't that antimatter blue?

Better not be in the next 12 months Albert.

I think it totally depends on how you plan to use it. There's no sense in getting features that aren't going to be used such as steel bumpers, bash plates and rock rails on the Black Diamond. You can't go wrong. Get the vehicle that suits your lifestyle. For me at this price point, I'd be...

I read that it was a stock 2.7l engine at Baja

So my wife is not the only one that resents the amount of time that I'm spending on this. I swear she only tries talking to me when I pick up my phone..???

I meant to type "impact*

She has very valid points and like the way she thinks. There are other factors to consider in the equation such as interior and vehicle weight. I really like the MGV seats and floor plugs for washing out mud.. I suspect that the upgraded HD bumper, rock rails, and bash plates on the BL...

At one time the ultimate vacation vehicle. I remember crawling back and forth from the back storage area to the rear seat and sometimes when I was misbehaving, having to crawl up to the front seat while the car was moving and sitting between my parents in the front seat. I don't think we...

You forgot to mention the jmpact that steel wheels have on the number of cup holders.

The one thing that was left out in the analysis is the gear ratio. The SAS package gets a 4.7 final gear ratio. If you plan to go aftermarket with a lift and tires, you will likely need re-gearing of you plan to do it later on.

I've been looking into this. You will be able to get an aftermarket system for half of the cost of the factory installed option. If you can install a bumper sticker, you can install one of these.

When its really cold, the oil doesn't move through the engine as well when its forst started until its warm. This is when most damage to your engine occurs. The block heater keeps your oil warm and allows it flow immediately in very cold conditions when your engine is first started. I live...

I second the motion

Race red looks pretty sweet. The 33s don't look too bad either but I do plan to squatch it bc I just don't want the hassle of doing it afterwards.

Ford reputation for quality over Jeep. The ability to get a very off road worthy vehicle from the factory. While Toyota is known for reliability and I have owned several, the mpg is horrible, the engines are sluggish, and no locking front diff.