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  1. 2021 WHITE Badlands Build

    its a little Miami Vice, but that is no bad thing. Very, very nice job!
  2. Sadly, it looks like all the Dealers have jumped on the Gouge Train…

    No problem with the dealer attempting to get the best price it possibly can, provided it didn't mislead anyone to get the vehicle into its inventory. Its hugely different to take a $1,000 deposit, smile and say "you're all set" when the customer has not in fact entered into a binding contract...
  3. I have some bad news.

    But as long as its entirely "apolitical" it will go on forever!
  4. UtahLars

    Utah Bronco Owners Unite!

    Did an FE with Garff in St. George. No issues.
  5. UtahLars

    Utah Bronco Owners Unite!

    welcome! Driving a FE on 35s, pure stock. Previous owner of several wranglers and a gladiator over the years, some lifted, and I'm still a Jeep fan. Think you will like the Bronco. It really doesn't give anything up to a comparably equipped Jeep as a crawler, and it may actually have a slight...
  6. UNBELIEVABLE!! [Ford Dealers Can Now Ban Customers From Reselling Vehicles]

    Yeah this is nothing new in the world of hard-to-get, hot vehicles. I first encountered this years ago buying an Italian sports car, at MSRP, from a dealer. The car was not "limited edition" but rather a production model, but this maker is known for its low production numbers. The agreement was...
  7. 🤬 Naughty Bad Dealerships Hall of Shame ("Surprise ADM" List)

    Thanks for all the work and care involved in putting this together. I am wondering about one other thing. Remember Ford offered Ford-funded incentives of up to $1,000 per customer for dealers to dispense to reservation holders who were inconvenienced or disgruntled by the excessive production...
  8. Simple Markup/ADM protection…

    This is clearly much better than just signing the DORA and handing over a check for one or several thousand. Just make sure, like you did, that it's someone with apparent authority - the sales manager or GM, not just a rank and file sales guy. It would be even better to have a signed agreement...
  9. FREMONT FORD PRICE GOUGING

    Coupla thoughts. (1) Random people at a dealership will say any old thing that pops into your head. They seem especially fond of making legal conclusions. I'd be the last person to say that only a member of the bar can state a legal conclusion (and I am one), but a person at least should have...
  10. Is the Bronco too bulky?

    Here's hoping. The old girl has some life in her yet; this thread has not yet become popular enough for the mods to snip it.
  11. T-Boned! Is it totaled? Too soon to tell... :(

    Seems like the Bronco kept you safe at least? That's all that really matters. Best of luck.
  12. Bronco 2.7 blown engine

    If the sampling here is any indication, it sure is. I'm a little bitter about this because I went through similar nonsense just a few years ago with a Focus RS. Lots of sweat worrying about the engine suddenly blowing itself up until Ford belatedly authorized a recall. It isn't fun to drive a...
  13. Phone Call From Dealer

    Its horrible. In the hope that we can avoid a repeat of this kind of disaster in the future, I hope people have the sense to at least diagnose the problem properly. Because although Ford is in the middle of this, they're not really the cause. The cause is that a huge chunk of the world's...
  14. Phone Call From Dealer

    you don't give the key piece of data - the type of top. If its soft top, this is all very believable and probably no reason to suspect it's off. Congrats! Edit: I see this was clarified further down in the thread. Think it's safe to pop the champagne!
  15. Lightning Blue First Edition on 37's, 17" Dirtylife beadlocks wheels, King Shocks

    Beautiful FE. I think the 37s are maybe too much. YMMV.
  16. RESOLVED! Dealer screwed me - 10k over msrp - Lindsay Ford - Wheaton, MD

    He is probably just lying, but on its face you could argue that these statements are an admission by an agent of the dealership that you do indeed have some kind of valid claim to this vehicle. Because if they really believed that you and they never agreed to the terms of the sale, and they got...
  17. RESOLVED! Dealer screwed me - 10k over msrp - Lindsay Ford - Wheaton, MD

    The money is the least of it. Getting into the pigsty and rassling the pig is the real cost. Life is too short.
  18. RESOLVED! Dealer screwed me - 10k over msrp - Lindsay Ford - Wheaton, MD

    This is important to know and too few people do. The dealers are almost always separate businesses from FoMoCo. Generally the customer will have no legally cognizable contractual relationship (what lawyers call "privity") with FoMoCo. Here, though, there is the slightly unusual factor of the...
  19. RESOLVED! Dealer screwed me - 10k over msrp - Lindsay Ford - Wheaton, MD

    I don't think the "invoice" language does anything one way or another. It simply says that that piece of paper was not a bill for payment of the amounts shown. The question here is whether the parties intended to be bound. This in and of itself is not a written contract. But then again, the...


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