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Ya... that's some nonsense right there. I went with RPG and have no complaints. Most of the time when I hear people talking about complaints it becomes pretty clear pretty quick that they don't know that they are talking about and are conflating collars with spacers because they don't understand...

Thanks- ya... I'm imagining that the Carli bar will have (hopefully) more range than some of the other options. In fairness, I don't know/haven't evaluated the Rock Jock option, so that may be good as well. I do have the Rock Jock rear bar relocate bracket and I can confirm that it is a...

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Fair. I’ve probably been argumentative and that’s not my MO on this forum or the internets in general... I’ve been on both sides of this life so I think opinions like this standout to me sometimes. Apologies. I’ll dip out here… Carry on!

Let's walk that back a bit- that's not an opinion. $150k on an off road toy is a lot of money, stats are reality and the reality of the world is that 95%+ of people would agree with statement as well... apparently you live in a tower whether you realize it or not. Like it or not, the VAST...

Ya. No kidding… Raptors are in fact for off roading I have no idea why you’re struggling this hard. I am NOT talking about ‘Raptors’ I am talking about THIS Raptor. RAPTORS in general, are 💯 for rollin hard in the desert. But I’ll leave it here- again- my point is if you dress up a Raptor...

Ya me too! This Raptor will be beautiful in every parking lot it's parked in. That's all I was saying... that, and Cayennes aren't made for off-roading any more than this thing is.

I think you missed my point- ya I agree with you. The post you’re quoting was in response to off roading a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S. Of course you should off road a Raptor. But this one ain’t goin off road.

Meh… just because you CAN do something with a vehicle doesn’t mean you should or that that was the vehicle’s intended purpose.

Those are definitely banjos… she purdy…

Only truck forum I know of where some poster is droppin “Neo-luddists”… sweet… love this place.

Bro. JBH this truck will NEVER go to Moab. I mean it might park at the grocery store for bit… It does look fantastic- not debating that, but regardless of how well it’s built it’s highly unlikely this truck will be wheeling the trails. It’s too much of an investment. It’s beautifully done...

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Ya I have the Carli on my PinTop 2500 King kit and -agreed- it’s the shit

Yes I have - and I think they’re a very nice compromise. I’m either slow rolling rocky trails or fast on forest service roads. I’m not rock crawling so I can’t speak to that but flex in some pretty off camber spots was not an issue. I think going to 37s has a much bigger impact than people think.

For sure- the buttons are great- but the 12 psi is probably the better part of that, and the tires don’t air down themselves…

Speaking strictly from a WT HOSS3 perspective I can say I don’t find the setup to be wildly inferior. You said you don’t want to feel “neutered”. You will not. The places I have felt SD would have been a significant factor in off-road performance (which aren’t a ton- but YMMV depending on use...

I didn't do new UCAs. No issues. I'm still very happy with my RPG collar lift.

Ya ok I’m in. The stock ambient lights sucks at best, and also randomly seem to turn off from time to time and I have to go back into the settings menu to reactivate.

Ah ok- cool. I guess the part I’m trying to image is the tuck into the center console. Hell it’s $12. I’m just gonna order them. I’ll assume that they stay on whatever color you set them to.