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Question relating to exhaust note and it's evolution as a contribution to a vehicle's "soul".

As background, for decades, the fart can exhaust was the young, broke, half-hearted, tuner kid's weapon of choice that said, "Yeah, I'm young and I am cool...you ARE NOT." For them, leaving an echoing sea of irritating fart can sound in their wake was maybe more important than actually improving their 16 second, 0-60 mph time. Hum....now that I think about it, maybe the goal was to DECREASE the 0-60 time such that surrounding ears would remain awash in that irritating sound for a much longer duration?

Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of a well tuned, high HP WRX or Lancer or Skyline or Civic or Celica and would love to own one. A few years ago, I myself super charged a manual transmission Acura TSX and put a Fujitsubo exhaust on it that came directly from the land of the rising sun. It sounded awesome and had lots of soul. But that is not the "fart can" sound I speak of. I think most of you know what I mean. And it not just Japanese tuner cars, plenty of the punk BMW tuner crew employ this loud for the sake of being loud exhaust approach, too.

BUT, this long standing approach to coolness may have morphed. NOW, it would seem "cool" is an engine tune where the injectors do not shut off for some grossly excessive amount of time after coming off throttle (if at all), thus dumping a massive amount of raw, unburned fuel into the exhaust manifold where it eventually reaches a level of volatility so as to donate in a string of incredibly violent and massive backfires. Each of these backfire events are likely powerful enough to blow any amount of baffling or packing that MIGHT haven once existed in the cheap ass fart can exhaust.

Has any one else noticed this phenomenon? Is this a trend or am I just lucky because I live a few blocks from a local Japanese car tuner, and also live on a hill that inspires a lot of engine compression braking? I have read about some version of this technique used to help with cooling exhaust valves in race applications, but what I have been experiencing is NOT THAT. The cool little popping backfires on decel can even be pleasing to the ear. My Husky SM610 did it and my H-D 103 cu in tune even has a very slight bit of it and it makes me smile. But the backfires I'm asking about are full on window rattling, dog terrifying, araul assaults. Like M-80 or .50 BMG quality BOOMS. My German Shepherd gets SOOO SCARED it scares the piss INTO her, not out! She won't go out to pee for many, many hours after one of these jokers goes by.

Is this a "thing"? It seems to have become prevalent over the last 18 months or so. WA state also did away with bi-annual emissions testing in favor of requiring new cars sales to be CA emissions compliant. I'm guessing that was a significant contributing factor because these fuel/air bomb BOOMS would NOT have passed emissions!
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There was some Korean car - a Hyundai or something, that did this when you put it in Track mode. Dude got a noise violation ticket and tried to fight it in court - saying his car was totally stock, and the Track mode came from the factory.

When the car company started to sniff a hint of liability - they pointed to the fact that in the Car Manual it clearly states that Track mode is only for track/off road, that it requires specific user action to enable on every startup (just like all us complaining we can't get Sport to reactivate between restarts) and the driver here was trying to use it on-road clearly against the documentation.

This video may talk about it some, I didn't watch the whole thing but it looked like it was what I was thinking of.
 
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@Brian_B, I'm pretty sure the barrage of back fires I am hearing are in no way an OEM feature, but I'm equally sure they are intentional. These back fires are unusually common and are easily as loud as a high powered rifle, at least as loud as a very hot .308 load from a short barreled rifle.
 

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Maybe I’m getting old and deaf but there seems to less exhaust noise makers then there used to be (maybe moving out of “red neck” country caused this)…I did think the blown out glasspacks on my ’68 pickup were kool in my younger days and most of my motorcycles had aftermarket exhaust but noise was never the goal (my 700hp mustang had stock exhaust)..the fact is most modern stock exhausts are pretty efficient..now days it is just irritating hearing loud exhaust around town…but to answer your questio: no I have not noticed…

ps: I did have a Suzuki DR400 hot rod supermoto that was crazy loud and popped like crazy on decel….I kinda felt bad for others riding it around but it was so dam fun…
 
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My first "street bike" was a Tomos Bullet 49cc 2-stroke, 2-speed moped when I was 14. It was a HOT machine. And you better believe the baffle was out of that exhaust when I wanted to be, as Geo Thorogood would say, " BABABABAD....BAD TO THE BONE!" :crackup:
 

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As is always the case, it's only cool when V8s do it.



 

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@Brian_B, I'm pretty sure the barrage of back fires I am hearing are in no way an OEM feature, but I'm equally sure they are intentional. These back fires are unusually common and are easily as loud as a high powered rifle, at least as loud as a very hot .308 load from a short barreled rifle.
I wasnt trying to insinuate what you were hearing was stock - just that is has become so common that it is becoming a stock feature
 

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"Pops and crackles" or "burbles" were an offshoot of WRC where they would fire the injectors out of phase, igniting gas in the headers to keep the turbos spooled between shifts. Poorly-tuned cars would also do this as extra gas would ignite on the hot exhaust valves or headers.

Today it's like placing a Type-R badge on your Hyundai. It's also a great way to force your catalysts into early failure. There's zero performance benefit and only detrimental downsides. There ARE firing strategies that are less detrimental, Audi has incorporated them into some of their halo cars but overall, from a non-engineered, aftermarket tune implemented procedure, I'd avoid it at all costs.
 
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As is always the case, it's only cool when V8s do it.
Hard to say if those are on par with the locals. I'm sure a cell phone mic would not accurately capture it, and a cell phone speaker certainly could not in any way duplicate the offensiveness. That Jag just might be able to get my ire going, though. Off throttle "burbling" is completely cool....I love it. But that Jag driver is a tosser... possibly a wanker, too.
 

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Hard to say if those are on par with the locals. I'm sure a cell phone mic would not accurately capture it, and a cell phone speaker certainly could not in any way duplicate the offensiveness. That Jag just might be able to get my ire going, though. Off throttle "burbling" is completely cool....I love it. But that Jag driver is a tosser... possibly a wanker, too.
I would do very had things for a Jag F Type R.
 

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I would do very had things for a Jag F Type R.
You can get that engine in other vehicles for shockingly cheap. Like 9-14k easily with higher miles
 
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I would do very had things for a Jag F Type R.
Let's do all we can to keep you in that very cool Stroppe you built, then.

I traded a '16 Challenger SRT 392 in on our first Bronco. When I drove that Challenger, I felt pressure on myself to be some form of A-hole. I never feel that with the Bronco. In fact, I more enjoy toodling along to the point of irritating other divers. :) I love my Bronco and the time I spend in it, so I'm in no rush to get my drive over with. Go ahead and hammer on your POS Hyundai Elantra...I see you at the next stop light in a block and a half.....then the next....and the next....
 

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Let's do all we can to keep you in that very cool Stroppe you built, then.

I traded a '16 Challenger SRT 392 in on our first Bronco. When I drove that Challenger, I felt pressure on myself to be some form of A-hole. I never feel that with the Bronco. In fact, I more enjoy toodling along to the point of irritating other divers. :) I love my Bronco and the time I spend in it, so I'm in no rush to get my drive over with. Go ahead and hammer on your POS Hyundai Elantra...I see you at the next stop light in a block and a half.....then the next....and the next....
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Maybe I’m getting old and deaf but there seems to less exhaust noise makers then there used to be (maybe moving out of “red neck” country caused this)…I did think the blown out glasspacks on my ’68 pickup were kool in my younger days and most of my motorcycles had aftermarket exhaust but noise was never the goal (my 700hp mustang had stock exhaust)..the fact is most modern stock exhausts are pretty efficient..now days it is just irritating hearing loud exhaust around town…but to answer your questio: no I have not noticed…

ps: I did have a Suzuki DR400 hot rod supermoto that was crazy loud and popped like crazy on decel….I kinda felt bad for others riding it around but it was so dam fun…
The BMW boys and rice burner toys were far less annoying after the naturally aspirated 5.5L engine in my Mercedes E550 were (silently) left them in my distant wake.
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