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This.


I'll hint around where I can, but most of what I've heard has been single sourced and I can't risk burning them.
So basically, those of us in purgatory are going to get our replacement tops after the entire fleet of FE's is built? We could be looking at January or February delivery if that's the case.
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They have to sell a certain amount of hardtop 2 doors before they can sell soft top 2 doors, some federal reg.
I sure would like to see the wording on this reg. I keep seeing references to it, and it 100% sounds like something dumb enough for our gov to do.
 

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Nah. I'm just expecting official communication. There's no excuse for Ford to not be over communicating at this point. Yes pandemic whatever. But what about customer service. How many dumb advertising emails have you got from ford since you reserved? And how many emails of substance have you received from them regarding your reservation? I don't want to know about the F150 lightning, or the PBR rodeo or stay pumped. I want to know what is holding up my bronco. I want to know what they are doing to fix the voucher issue for off roadeo. And "search this forum" is a Bs answer. You shouldn't have to. Some people have put thousands of dollars down for this truck. They have a right to be overwhelmed with information about their vehicle.
Some people were dumb enough to put thousands down with no Guarantee of delivery, some also sold their car, went and got financing, insurance quotes and made a bunch of other poor life decisions none of which are Ford’s problem. Until my dealer called and said we picked it up and that was after truck driver fell off truck at depot and broke his ankle I didn’t do anything but wait, patiently. This is a want, not a need that I could have lived without indefinitely. If a Bronco is a need for you,you have already messed up.
 

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I honestly don't expect the Bronco I ordered within a FEW HOURS of reveal to be delivered before March 2022. If you step back and look it's simply insane to think it would take nearly 2 damn years from reservation to delivery.

Ford is CEO of dropping the ball and they are damn lucky there isn't shit else out right now or many of us would have already jumped off this shit show.
 

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Some people were dumb enough to put thousands down with no Guarantee of delivery, some also sold their car, went and got financing, insurance quotes and made a bunch of other poor life decisions none of which are Ford’s problem. Until my dealer called and said we picked it up and that was after truck driver fell off truck at depot and broke his ankle I didn’t do anything but wait, patiently. This is a want, not a need that I could have lived without indefinitely. If a Bronco is a need for you,you have already messed up.
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It would seem to me that it's in Ford's best interest to work with Webasto on the quality problems. You can't just turn suppliers on a dime (at least not at the quantity that would be required). An outright dumping of Webasto creates multiple problems - 1) Webasto has no incentive to help, 2) A new supplier has to come up to speed (will their quality be better, can they achieve the needed scale, etc.), and 3) Customers selected the Webasto top on their orders - I doubt you could just make a switch and not give a customer some options.
They’re the world leader in convertible tops and removable tops. They own the market. It’s like if ZF had a problem making transmissions. If the world’s largest manufacturer is struggling, then what makes anyone think a new guy is going to do dramatically better.
 

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So basically, those of us in purgatory are going to get our replacement tops after the entire fleet of FE's is built? We could be looking at January or February delivery if that's the case.
Probably. @txozpilot What was the number mentioned for the tops, 12k? 7k FE's, who knows what the % of good tops from that number is. Was that 12k all hard tops? There are soft tops sitting too, who knows what the other constraints are....yikes
 

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They’re the world leader in convertible tops and removable tops. They own the market. It’s like if ZF had a problem making transmissions. If the world’s largest manufacturer is struggling, then what makes anyone think a new guy is going to do dramatically better.
This is a lot of people's first time becoming aware of Webasto, even though there's a great chance you've satisfactorily used their products in the past without even knowing. They're everywhere.
 

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They’re the world leader in convertible tops and removable tops. They own the market. It’s like if ZF had a problem making transmissions. If the world’s largest manufacturer is struggling, then what makes anyone think a new guy is going to do dramatically better.
This, beginning to feel like it is a poor design and Webasto while a dumpster fire is only half the reason it is a failure, so many problems with a redesign though.
Anyone know how heavy a Jeep hard top is compared to the MIC top?
That could mess up all the cog and GVWR stuff that is already an issue.
 

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... there is no rhyme or reason to how these things are getting pushed out...
There was a time when I would have thought this was a silly statement. But then I got older, which is code for... ' I wised the ph*ck up!' :cautious:
 

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Probably. @txozpilot What was the number mentioned for the tops, 12k? 7k FE's, who knows what the % of good tops from that number is. Was that 12k all hard tops? There are soft tops sitting too, who knows what the other constraints are....yikes
12k was what I’ve been told. Who knows if that’s 12k “good” tops or just send 12k and we will sort through them? Don’t know if that was Hard or Soft only or a mix?
As mentioned above, Webasto is an industry leader, so who’s going to replace them and how good will their product be?
Ford is caught in a tough spot. We’re the ones wearing it.. I took advantage of a once in lifetime market to offload my second vehicle. I thought I’d have my Bronco by now like most people.
I can get by without a second car for a while but it’s a pain in the arse! Plus I don’t want an inferior product!
I’d love to see Ford offer an incentive for our loyalty. 0% finance or something for sticking around. C’mon Ford!!
 

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Lol Love it!
I have my sources for my post. We will see I guess. Only time will prove if it’s right
Does your source have any insight on the soft tops that are sitting? Mine was built 7/19 and its been crickets since. I have a 4dr OBX with a soft top and there are a few others from the 7/19 week in the same boat.
 

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The top issue has been known for the MIC, it makes you wonder what else is being labeled as 'BAD.'

I feel gaslighted, I didn't know Webasto made the soft top, I thought it was Bestop.
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