Lets discuss why there should/not be a v8 option!

[Raptor.Tremor.Bronco]

Here's my opinion: I don't want the 5.0 coyote in a bronco (even if it fits) the 5.0 has had too many issues lately and the whole reason other than sound to want a v8 is reliability, right now the coyote has a belt driven oil pump, cylinder deactivation aswell as oil consumption issues. My alternative would be the new 7.3 V8 from the superduty. I think it would be a perfect fit since it is physically smaller than a coyote and doesn't seem to have any issues, plus they can make a ton of power.

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[rugbysecondrow]

Look at the charts for this forum; more than half Sasquatch, almost half lux, more then half BL/WT/FE and more then 3/4 chose the top engine. (10% of the sales are 2.3 automatics, that's it. 10%.) People are not afraid to spend money on Broncos.

When removing the manuals from the equation, 87% of people chose the 2.7. I have no doubt the manual take rate of a 2.7 would have mirrored that as well if it was a choice. Either way, between 75-90% of folks chose to get a model or extra cost engine with the most cylinders and power. Ford blew it and they know it. They under engined the Bronco, the demand is there for a Godzilla variant (turned for low end torque (without the need for giant exhaust for a high RPM engine, a small diameter/high velocity exhaust and higher overlap cam phasing would give huge torque down low, be ideal for a heavy off road vehicle)) and they would sell them in about the same percentages as the V8 mustangs compared to the smaller engined Mustangs. Less heat generated under the hood, less complexity, less warranty costs, lower production and installation costs. Similar weight if they choose an aluminum block. The Coyote is the wrong V8 for a truck*, put in the right one, especially with a manual option, and they will sell them all day long in the $55-65k range.

*A high revving 4-valve needs a larger diameter exhaust to not choke itself out with back pressure before it makes the most power up high. Kills exhaust velocity down low, which kills scavenging, which kills torque production (moves it higher in the rev range actually, exhaust diameter/design will move the power band up or down, just like camshaft selection and cam phasing, if Ford wanted to limit the horsepower of the 5.0 with a smaller exhaust (pumping losses would be a factor sooner) and the right camshaft/phasing, they could get a stump puller down low, but would not sell to the masses because the horsepower numbers would be low. Which is what a heavy truck really needs, emphasis on low end torque.)) The subject is quite lengthy actually. The above is very simplified.

If you think this forum of is representative of the rest of the buying public, I think you're incorrect.

But sure, assume you know more than Ford, and their back-logged wait-list they have for their Bronco models for 2021 and 2022.

They have done the research, they know their market, they know their direction for the Bronco brand. They will sell as many Broncos as they can produce for the foreseeable future, without having to go V8, increasing the price point, or complicating the production line.

The V8 has no (non-commercial) future in America...it is time to recognize this fact.

 

[LostInArizona]

Meh, I'd take a 3.0/3.5 TT over any V8 any day, unless of course that V8 is also TT.

I mean, an NA V8 is great and all and having owned several modern turbo vehicles it's not really about trust or reliability for me. I have personally had much better reliability with my turbo cars than any of my NA cars. Obviously that's anecdotal but I just prefer the flexibility and tunability of turbo motors. If this 2.7 gets good low end torque and from what it sounds like it does, with better fuel economy than a bigger V8 then that's a no brainer imo. Too much more power off roading is not necessarily a good thing.

Now if they offered some kind of beast of an engine in a baja focused model (which I presume is the warthog), that had a big V8 like 600-700hp, well then you're talking about a completely different genre there. And I sure as hell wouldn't be doing black bear or anything with that. . Vehicles like the 392 are an answer looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Diminishing returns imo, there is a reason why the power numbers on 392 are far less than what that engine is capable of making.

But that aside, as it stands, if the warthog is putting down raptor numbers with a 3.0/3.5 it should have no problems competing against the 392 Jeep in terms of pure performance, and in any situation where that kind of power is really warranted i.e. baja driving, and in that case the IFS provides more of an advantage than the motor.

 

[North7]

The V8 has no (non-commercial) future in America...it is time to recognize this fact.

I beg to differ.

The 2021 Ford Raptor V8 will be a commercial success.

Numerous aftermarket companies, selling V8 parts, are a commercial success.

NHRA Drag Racing is built on V-8's, they are a commercial success.

 

[Mattwings]

Reality is its a $50k vehicle. How much HP will the 392 have? Im not talking about some huge 700HP V8. Im simply talking about a 5.0-6L with MT and 400 HP N.A. Granted fact that jeep made their v6 a $50k vehicle? Puts it into perspective as to why a V8 is $75k. But when you can buy a corvette for $60k or a Mustang/Camaro for $60k high end? You could get a V8/manual 4x4 for the same price IF they wanted to...

I completely understand manuals dont sell. Why? Because they removed them and gave you no choice. They trained people and told them they didnt want this type of transmission. Afterall. USA is about as lazy as one can be. Why do you think we're heading for automated cars? So we can get avg of 600lbs while eating mcdonalds and facebook all day. lol

The 7spd MT can definitely be adapted to the 2.7L. Will they? possible? But more highly improbable. Force people to go their route. Not what theyd like. Afterall you dont want it being to reliable....theres no money in reliability. You want it it last just about outside warranty which is 120k mi, Not much at all really...

Automakers make what people buy at prices they can make money. It is made more complicated emissions/epa regulations that makes pricing certain options and combinations more expensive and subsidies others. There is no grand plan to eliminate manual transmissions. I don’t choose an automatic because I am lazy. I have had tons of manual vehicles, special ordering and or searching wide geographic areas to find them. I buy an auto because I prefer it, particularly in an off road application. It used to be a performance penalty and carry significant additional cost issues (maintenance, repair and up front cost). Now its a performance and economy penalty. Since I would not do a clutch replacement on a newer vehicle, that maintenance likely cancels any cost savings if you have to do 2 clutches in 200k miles. My motorcycle clutch replacement is as far as I go these days

 

[Wizard1183]

Automakers make what people buy at prices they can make money. It is made more complicated emissions/epa regulations that makes pricing certain options and combinations more expensive and subsidies others. There is no grand plan to eliminate manual transmissions. I don’t choose an automatic because I am lazy. I have had tons of manual vehicles, special ordering and or searching wide geographic areas to find them. I buy an auto because I prefer it, particularly in an off road application. It used to be a performance penalty and carry significant additional cost issues (maintenance, repair and up front cost). Now its a performance and economy penalty. Since I would not do a clutch replacement on a newer vehicle, that maintenance likely cancels any cost savings if you have to do 2 clutches in 200k miles. My motorcycle clutch replacement is as far as I go these days

Clutch replacement even 2 are far cheaper than replacing a transmission in 200k mi lol manual is far superior in reliability. That’s not an opinion. That’s a fact. Unless you’re burning up clutches on purpose? Than that’s on you.

 

[Mattwings]

Clutch replacement even 2 are far cheaper than replacing a transmission in 200k mi lol manual is far superior in reliability. That’s not an opinion. That’s a fact. Unless you’re burning up clutches on purpose? Than that’s on you.

I have had no transmission issues since my Chevy Tahoe. I know lots of people with 200k+ miles on their automatic transmissions. I don’t know anyone that goes 200k on a clutch and with 33 or 35” tires running reasonably hard off road, it seems like every 100k is a reasonable estimate. I am sure it’s possible. My mom went 150k on her 280z clutch in the 80s

 

[rugbysecondrow]

I beg to differ.

The 2021 Ford Raptor V8 will be a commercial success.

Numerous aftermarket companies, selling V8 parts, are a commercial success.

NHRA Drag Racing is built on V-8's, they are a commercial success.

You are taking "commercial success" in a niche of a niche market vs Mass market.

Even the Raptor is being launched with a VV-6, with a V8 possibly later.

The Bronco was not rebirthed to be a niche vehicle, it is for mass consumption.


If you look at the trends across the entire industry, the V8 is disappearing...the future just isn't there but for a few people willing to pay giant margins for their vehicle.

 

[Wizard1183]

I have had no transmission issues since my Chevy Tahoe. I know lots of people with 200k+ miles on their automatic transmissions. I don’t know anyone that goes 200k on a clutch and with 33 or 35” tires running reasonably hard off road, it seems like every 100k is a reasonable estimate. I am sure it’s possible. My mom went 150k on her 280z clutch in the 80s

Oh I agree there. I’m not saying clutches last forever. Lol but far cheaper to change a clutch than an entire transmission

 

[Hoofnmouth]

I wouldnt want an electric bronco in any form

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The market says an auto V8 with Solid Front Axle is worth $75k (Hemi Jeep starting price).

Base model 3/4 tons (Ram and Ford) start in the low $40k's with a solid front axle, big V8 and automatic transmission. A Power Wagon depending on how crazy you get with options is well within the price range of a Bronco and is a 3/4 ton truck with two lockers, sway bar disconnects and a factory Warn winch...

 

[LostInArizona]

I wouldnt want an electric bronco in any form

That's unfortunate. An electric bronco would have more torque and likely an even more effective 4x4 system. If they could get the batteries lasting a bit longer or at least put a small gas charging motor in there it would be amazing. Would take that in a second above any current offerings, but unfortunately even if they do make one it will likely be way out of my price range.

 

[The_Phew]

We all clamor for a V8, but the payload capacity on a V8 Warthog would barely be enough for one passenger plus a cooler of beer.

 

[linbackr99]

I was hesitant going from the 6.2 to the 3.5 in my 17 Raptor . . . until I drove it!! Has a few ticks short of 100k and been the best vehicle I have ever owned - and so much quicker than the old 6.2 was (not to mention @6mpg better) . . . I am just fine with the 2.7 (or 2.3 if I had ordered anything except the Wildtrak).

 

[NCOBX]

We all clamor for a V8, but the payload capacity on a V8 Warthog would barely be enough for one passenger plus a cooler of beer.

You do realize a dressed 5.0 weighs less than a dressed 2.7L right?

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