Trail turn assist worth while for an overland rig?

[CWO4]

The automatic gets the consumer alot of cool ass perks. Enough to even make a purist question the stick decision.... And real advantages they are.... trail turn. And one pedal. Buttttttt one pedal is 2.7 only......

For myself I decided I'll be daily driving and weekend thrashing, so my everyday commute I 100% want stick. I love the manual experience and even in traffic don't mind the three pedal experience. The crawler gear is amazing. And a huge added value. I can also add a "fun lever" or dual fun levers to lock the rear tires the old-school way cheap. Think twin drift handles but one for each wheel, and there's trail turn assist. Traction is going to be off in hardcore wheeling anyway so the handles "shouldn't" piss off traction control , "in theory"
How much to add a "
The only place I'd want an automatic is to make up for my inadequacy driving off-road. So I said no.

I also said no to mid package because of all the crap it adds. I only want the power outlet and seat heaters, so nope. Less driving "aids". I'm adding those facts for perspective in where my opinion is coming from.

How much is it to add a "fun lever", where would you bring these levers up into the cab?

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[Werkedperformance]

You are correct, the crawler gear has an amazing amount of torque, But how often are you going to use it? It is like everything else on this forum, single mindset on just one aspect of the Bronco. Unless you are crawling a rock wall all the time it is a mute point. Once you try to come out of that gear you will lose momentum so no good for sand, mud, or anything you want increase your forward momentum.

I suspect quite alot pulling bum cars around at work.

How much is it to add a "fun lever", where would you bring these levers up into the cab?

Just so we are definitely on the same page....

https://www.kartek.com/parts/jamar-...ht-handle-billet-aluminum-steering-brake.html

This is an economy version of what I speak of.

The install varies greatly. From utilitarian install to trimmed out luxe job.

Probably 5-10+ hours if someone does things right and is not rushed, depending on how things are routed. Haven't seen the brake lines in person.....

But no computer involved just lock a wheel with the diff unlocked. Same thing they are doing with ABS.


However I HIGHLY suspect we will see aftermarket programming add trail turn to manual (with a button install).

 

[Bronco88]

I would've gone manual 2.3 badsquatch but fiance can't drive stick and we're planning for kids so a 4dr auto 2.7 was more sensible.

 

[NVCowboy]

I’m breaking in a new Explorer at work. When there were only a couple of hundred miles on it, I described the ten speed transmission as indecisive. It wasn’t necessarily “hunting gears” but, it felt like it always had someplace better to be than where it was at. The more miles I put on it, the transmission seemed to “gain confidence.” I know this is a weird way to describe a driving experience, but it is what I got. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ten speed Bronco feels like this during test drives or upon delivery.

 

[Sampsonrustic]

In terms of your question I think trail turn is a feature that (for me) ranks high on cool factor but lower on usefulness and much lower on requirement. I think it’s likely most folks will end up using it on the beach or in parking lots for fun. Theyll be doing Bronco Donuts! Or is it Bronuts?

Most trails do not require 3 point turns.... and most 3 point turns I know about are on mountain switchbacks or in very tight woods. Where frankly there’s even less chance I’d be using a feature like that where there was any risk of slipping over a ledge. The bronco is small enough that you’re never not going to make it through a trail without it.

To me I would absolutely not give up my preference for how I want to drive every single day for a feature i would probably use very rarely for fun and absolutely need in a real situation almost never. But yes it would be cool to show off with it the first few times in the desert in the middle of nowhere.

Now I’m not arguing whether manual is better than auto. But for me a manual is about much more than some tight turning feature that solves a relatively rare situation for me that I can always get out of anyway, even though I think it’s definitely cool watching the bronco do it and I like that Ford is innovating.

Definitely not necessary for 99% of “over landing” type activities at all. Consider that no other vehicles that people overland with have it and do just fine. I also think a manual bronco is cooler than auto with trail turn, if going purely by cool factor.

 

[bjellefs]

I would've gone manual 2.3 badsquatch but fiance can't drive stick and we're planning for kids so a 4dr auto 2.7 was more sensible.

I’m in the exact same boat. Maybe I will feel like I am missing out with the auto down the line, but the 2.7, trail turn, and one pedal driving really reduces FOMO.

 

[Deleted member 13702]

In terms of your question I think trail turn is a feature that (for me) ranks high on cool factor but lower on usefulness and much lower on requirement. I think it’s likely most folks will end up using it on the beach or in parking lots for fun. Theyll be doing Bronco Donuts! Or is it Bronuts?

Most trails do not require 3 point turns.... and most 3 point turns I know about are on mountain switchbacks or in very tight woods. Where frankly there’s even less chance I’d be using a feature like that where there was any risk of slipping over a ledge. The bronco is small enough that you’re never not going to make it through a trail without it.

To me I would absolutely not give up my preference for how I want to drive every single day for a feature i would probably use very rarely for fun and absolutely need in a real situation almost never. But yes it would be cool to show off with it the first few times in the desert in the middle of nowhere.

Now I’m not arguing whether manual is better than auto. But for me a manual is about much more than some tight turning feature that solves a relatively rare situation for me that I can always get out of anyway, even though I think it’s definitely cool watching the bronco do it and I like that Ford is innovating.

Definitely not necessary for 99% of “over landing” type activities at all. Consider that no other vehicles that people overland with have it and do just fine. I also think a manual bronco is cooler than auto with trail turn, if going purely by cool factor.

Thanks, this was basically my rationale as well. I hadn’t seen any other threads discussing the true benefits of TTA. One peddle driving is nice, but considering I want 3 peddles it kinda defeats the point.

Mostly in my limited off-road adventures I haven’t noticed a need for something like TTA, which made me wonder if I was missing something.

Watched a lot of overlanding videos lately and most of the people in them said simplicity is best, don’t overcomplicate your build and stay as close to stock as you can. Which makes the manual badlands seem like the perfect choice.

Since I will be a novice in overlanding, I intend to do a lot of weekend trips initially with Northeast Adventure Company up in Maine/VT region. I also intend to take an off-roading course, since prior to this I mostly went with trial and error; which on one jaunt ended up in a truck with an automatic transmission that ingested water leaving me stuck. Plan on being a little smarter in the future.

I initially second guessed my order of a manual transmission on my badlands, so I went back and changed it to an auto, now I’m leaning on going back to the manual. My salesman loves me...shout out to AJ at Hoffman Ford(he’s been very patient). Anyway I appreciate the feedback. Looking forward to seeing you all out in the wild!

 

[Oregonbourne]

I’m breaking in a new Explorer at work. When there were only a couple of hundred miles on it, I described the ten speed transmission as indecisive. It wasn’t necessarily “hunting gears” but, it felt like it always had someplace better to be than where it was at. The more miles I put on it, the transmission seemed to “gain confidence.” I know this is a weird way to describe a driving experience, but it is what I got. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ten speed Bronco feels like this during test drives or upon delivery.

Yup- I have a ‘20 f-150 with the 5.0. Same story on the ten speed. Much smoother after 10k.
I ordered the 2.3 w/ manual. Main reason-Nostalgia of the FJ-40 I grew up around. Note: 100% not a daily driver, but my boys will learn how to drive with this rig. I find it hard to believe so many younger tradesman can’t drive a manual transmission, and many have a CDL. What the heck?

 

[Sampsonrustic]

IMO the MT is one of the most important reasons to get a bronco. It’s a dying breed. It’s the opposite of wanting most driving aids...

 

[Stampede.Offroad]

one often forgotten fact:
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Torque converter probably puts the auto in the 100+ range ...

 

[Werkedperformance]

Torque converter probably puts the auto in the 100+ range ...

The 10R80 locks up really fast. It doesn't slip like old school converters did. Its locked in every gear except 1st. (See table).

Curious how the new style converter handles long term trail abuse, as the main design goals are to not slip like that of old. It will keep the converter locked while changing gears even....

Not negating the reduction of a TC, but it's different than true low gears.

https://gearsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/FunWithTransmissions-0319_Fig02.jpg

 

[2Jeeps&PatriotX1]

I can think of at least one switch back in Colorado that I’d use it on! lol

Black Bear?

 

[Phantom]

My plan is to get my wife to fall in love with the auto bronco then in maybe five or so years convince her to let me get the base manual. Hopefully have a manual SAS by then. Gotta play the long game

 

[dgorsett]

Black Bear?

Yeah, but i think I'll 3, or 4 pt that. Having TTA do something I'm not expecting in the middle of one of those would be a bit disconcerting.

 

[Hemisfear]

Are it's initials "BBPR" and near Telluride? If so, we are of the same mind...

Absolutely, brother from another mother!

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