Chapman Of Horsham with @dealerinsider

[Razorbak86]

thank you for the kind words of support...I think this is actually a good situation for us...it’s also a learning situation to build relationships with our customers, instead of trying to hold them hostage for adm’s for a mass produced vehicle

Jeez, get a room, you two.

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[DealerInsider]

Jeez, get a room, you two.

 

[kfralin]

Can you elaborate on the part I bolded? I think most customers, myself included, don't care as much about the MY as long as we get the discounted price.



The part I bolded: I don't have a FE reservation so therefore no dog in the fight, but I'm assuming the information you are referring to is straight from Ford. Ford said ALL First Editions WILL be built in MY21, some will just have later availability. How could Ford build all FE's but not deliver to those customers because of "dealer allocation"?

A dealer gets allocated a certain amount of these units. That can change slightly as Tom explained, but not by a whole lot if your original estimated allocation was 10-20 units. As far as the FE editions, they will almost certainly build them all but again a dealer has to have allocation for an FE build in order to get it. You can go to XYZ and order anything Ford offers but that dealer must obtain allocation for that specific model in order for it to ever get built.

 

[BeerForMyHorses]

A dealer gets allocated a certain amount of these units. That can change slightly as Tom explained, but not by a whole lot if your original estimated allocation was 10-20 units.

I still don't see you addressing what most people care about: price. For example: I reserved with my local dealer. I later found the Granger deal. I asked my dealer what they would be charging, to which they replied MSRP with a possible ADM. One word: goodbye!

Customers are A-okay waiting just another 6-9 months if it means we don't get screwed in price.

Additionally, the three dealers offering these deals (Granger, Stephens, and now Tom) have been extremely forthright and transparent throughout the whole process that customers will possibly wait until MY22.

Also, you're not taking into account the allocation formula Ford is using. 50% converted orders + 25% Jeep/4runner area comp + 25% dealer initial inventory or whatever it's called. As you said, if a dealer only gets 10-20 initial allocations it won't go up much. Using the formula, if Granger converts 500 reservations to orders, they're getting at least 250 right off the bat. I would say that goes up quite a bit.

As far as the FE editions, they will almost certainly build them all but again a dealer has to have allocation for an FE build in order to get it. You can go to XYZ and order anything Ford offers but that dealer must obtain allocation for that specific model in order for it to ever get built.

Yup, and if a FE reservation holder transfers to a dealer, that dealer gets allocated an extra FE... Because Ford is requiring all FEs to be built and delivered to said customers in MY21. It's not rocket science.

How long have you been a forum member here? You should know by now B6G doesn't appreciate dealers coming in here and using scare tactics, as subtle as you might be, to dissuade people from transferring.

If you're truly concerned about customers making an ignorant mistake and not realizing what MY they're getting, you should probably find a different forum to spread that. B6G members know more than dealers at this point, and we have since the very beginning.

 

[DealerInsider]

 

[kfralin]

Can you elaborate on the part I bolded? I think most customers, myself included, don't care as much about the MY as long as we get the discounted price.



The part I bolded: I don't have a FE reservation so therefore no dog in the fight, but I'm assuming the information you are referring to is straight from Ford. Ford said ALL First Editions WILL be built in MY21, some will just have later availability. How could Ford build all FE's but not deliver to those customers because of "dealer allocation"?

A dealer must have allocation in order to get you a vehicle. A FE is the same principle, the dealer must have allocation for an FE in order to ge

I still don't see you addressing what most people care about: price. For example: I reserved with my local dealer. I later found the Granger deal. I asked my dealer what they would be charging, to which they replied MSRP with a possible ADM. One word: goodbye!

Customers are A-okay waiting just another 6-9 months if it means we don't get screwed in price.

Additionally, the three dealers offering these deals (Granger, Stephens, and now Tom) have been extremely forthright and transparent throughout the whole process that customers will possibly wait until MY22.

Also, you're not taking into account the allocation formula Ford is using. 50% converted orders + 25% Jeep/4runner area comp + 25% dealer initial inventory or whatever it's called. As you said, if a dealer only gets 10-20 initial allocations it won't go up much. Using the formula, if Granger converts 500 reservations to orders, they're getting at least 250 right off the bat. I would say that goes up quite a bit.



Yup, and if a FE reservation holder transfers to a dealer, that dealer gets allocated an extra FE... Because Ford is requiring all FEs to be built and delivered to said customers in MY21. It's not rocket science.

How long have you been a forum member here? You should know by now B6G doesn't appreciate dealers coming in here and using scare tactics, as subtle as you might be, to dissuade people from transferring.

If you're truly concerned about customers making an ignorant mistake and not realizing what MY they're getting, you should probably find a different forum to spread that. B6G members know more than dealers at this point, and we have since the very beginning.

I haven't been here on the forum long at all. There are no "scare tactics" at all. There IS a lot of bad information being circulated. Read post from just a few months back and you see that the "information" contained in them hasn't aged well. I really have no "horse in race" as it were as I am not soliciting business no trying to discourage anyone from doing anything. The information I provided was/is factual (at least as of now, as we know the situation is and has been pretty fluid). It is apparent that length of time and post count credentials are important for you so please disregard all information that I have posted. My intention was to inform, not to influence any persons opinion and gain business. As I stated, I have almost no allocation that has not been converted.

 

[Gamecock]

A dealer gets allocated a certain amount of these units. That can change slightly as Tom explained, but not by a whole lot if your original estimated allocation was 10-20 units.

Where in the allocation formula does “original estimated allocation” factor in? They must have changed the formula since it was released for your statement to be true.

While it is true that a dealer who had a huge number of reservations before the estimate like Granger won’t get a big change, a dealer who had very few reservations and after the estimate is released gets a ton of them...will have a radical change in their allocation.

 

[kfralin]

Can you elaborate on the part I bolded? I think most customers, myself included, don't care as much about the MY as long as we get the discounted price.



The part I bolded: I don't have a FE reservation so therefore no dog in the fight, but I'm assuming the information you are referring to is straight from Ford. Ford said ALL First Editions WILL be built in MY21, some will just have later availability. How could Ford build all FE's but not deliver to those customers because of "dealer allocation"?

Look, the rules of game have been a developing situation (think all the X-Plan talk early on that has now been nixed). As of right now, allocation for 2021 model year has been estimated. It may change slightly for an individual dealer but not that much. If a dealer has an estimated allocation of 10 units, they won't get 50 vehicles built IN 2021MY. That is the only point I am trying to make. If any customer is happy getting a 2022MY, then there is no issue with that at all. My opinion is that by mid 2022 you will be able to get discounted pricing at almost any dealer (just based on supply and demand). All the best!

 

[DealerInsider]

I spoke to my Ford sales mgr again this AM and he stated the FE allocation moves with the reservation...if you had FE allocation bc you had a FE reservation, per the Ford rep, you dont get to keep the FE allocation for a stock unit if your reservation transfers...i also emailed Bronco@ to get written confirmation...but that is the 2nd time i heard that from a 2nd person at Ford...right now idk who is correct, so ill update on Monday when i hear back from Bronco@...

also...you guys should start a new thread "dealer vs bronco6g" lol...ill bring the popcorn

 

[Ryuk]

My Ford Escape Lease ends June 2022.
Ford normally allows you to return a lease up to 3 months early if you lease or buy another Ford. As such, if I don't get my Bronco until March - June 2022, financially, the timing will be perfect
If I get it before then, the escape becomes my wife's dedicated bad weather vehicle and pet hauler. [We currently share it]. So for me, the waiting isn't a bad thing, but trust me, I want my Bronco sooner vs later.

 

[BigFootie]

Hopefully, the trend will continue and more dealers will get in on the discount train. But, it’s not all about the discount, it’s also about the transparency and treating your customers so they feel valued rather than crapped on. Granger got to where they are because Albert and Zach have been up front and have valued their customers. Of course they have a motive, that’s why they are in business. But they have shown you can be in business and still treat your customers right. Tom seems to be going down the same track. Seems smart to me!

 

[EvlNvrDys]

I've been following this for the past day now and figured I pose the question. Lay it out in simple terms to see if it can be answered.

Dealer A starts with 60 reservations. Initial allocation we'll set at 33%. So initial allocation is 20.

Dealer A then becomes the new Bronco6G whore (meant in a nice way of course) and goes from 60 reservations up to 300. We'll assume they all convert to order.

Now, when new allocations come out, does this number stay at 33% or bump to 50%? And is it still considered a MY21 allocation?
33% = 100 allocations. 50% = 150 allocations.
Either way though, jumping from 20 original allocations up to 100 or 150 is what I would consider a sizable jump.

Is any of my statement possibly correct?

**A note from the creator of this post: (EvlNvrDys) : the use of certain words stated above are in no way meant to shame, they do not signify any one individual and are purely meant for entertainment purposes.

 

[Sean D]

@BigFootie absolutely. One of the primary reasons I moved my reservation to Tom was his transparency and communication. The local dealer I was working with was being really vague about pricing, "not charging over sticker price, but not going under invoice." Every time I asked about reservations, allocations, and conversions, he wouldn't provide any concrete information. An 11-hour drive to pick up my new Bronco will be no problem, and I have no issue with waiting for a MY22.

 

[kfralin]

I spoke to my Ford sales mgr again this AM and he stated the FE allocation moves with the reservation...if you had FE allocation bc you had a FE reservation, per the Ford rep, you dont get to keep the FE allocation for a stock unit if your reservation transfers...i also emailed Bronco@ to get written confirmation...but that is the 2nd time i heard that from a 2nd person at Ford...right now idk who is correct, so ill update on Monday when i hear back from Bronco@...

also...you guys should start a new thread "dealer vs bronco6g" lol...ill bring the popcorn

I was in no way trying to indicate that the dealer gets to keep the FE allocation if it is not converted. It is my understanding that FE allocation IS limited by dealer allocation, meaning that you convert orders for 3 FE's if you are allocated 1. Obviously, there is some conflicting information out there and I am only stating my understand as things stand today. YMMV

 

[Gamecock]

I was in no way trying to indicate that the dealer gets to keep the FE allocation if it is not converted. It is my understanding that FE allocation IS limited by dealer allocation, meaning that you convert orders for 3 FE's if you are allocated 1. Obviously, there is some conflicting information out there and I am only stating my understand as things stand today. YMMV

A dealer gets allocated 100% of their FE converted orders, and that is outside of the other allocation. Those FEs all get built in 21 and go where they were converted. FEs can’t wait until MY22.

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