Which power train won't be a lemon?

[NCOBX]

On top of all of that, just because it's from china doesn't immediately mean crap quality. I guarantee more than 50% of everything you own was made in china or has a part of it made in china. You sound like a boomer complaining about "back in my day" non-sense.

You’re ignoring the actual issue of buying from China, buying from them is supporting a regime with mass concentration camps using slave labor to produce items for the rest of the world. You’re supporting a country that ‘disappears’ people that speak against the official narrative, supporting a country that is using the profits they make to extend their pro-communism ideals to the rest of the world.

I’m sure if you whip a 10 year old child, deny them food, and threaten to kill their whole family if they don’t make your sneakers perfectly - they will produce a decent product given the right material.

In my 20s and college educated fwiw.

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[AddDemiGod]

I believe in America, there’s so many vehicles with American or 1st world built engine/trans that it would be spiteful to purposely buy from China.

Yeah it seems to be from america, but trucks seem to be the only thing made in america now a days.

 

[BrentC]

New to the Forum so go easy on me...

My thoughts on the 10-speed/2.7 pairing in my 2019 F150 - one of the best auto trannies of the three CrewCab F150s I’ve had (2000, 2009, 2019). No issues so far.

As for the manual tranny - were the failures noted with the MT82 design-related or manufacturer-related? Defects in the line are easier to mitigate than trying to undo design deficiencies. As example, I have a Chinese-built Ephiphone ES-339 which is a semi-hollowbody archtop top guitar that is hard to build. Early Chinese-built Epiphones were firewood, but this guitar is as well-built as any American-made Gibson. The Chinese got better at their craft and the defects disappeared. I’m seriously considering buying another Epiphone based on the quality of the ES.

As for the 2.3 - I had the 2.0 in my 2013 Focus ST with direct port injection. The installation of a catch can and running a good fuel with injector cleaning additives resulted in no issues whatsoever with the engine. I gave it a Cobb Stage 1 tune almost immediately as well. I don’t expect to have any issues with the 2.3 with a similar catch can/good fuel approach.

 

[NCOBX]

Yeah it seems to be from america, but trucks seem to be the only thing made in america now a days.

Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, VW, Mercedes, BMW all make cars and minivans here.

I think when you look at the list of made in America vs outside America the majority are coming from inside the country and a super majority from NA as a whole.

I have no trouble buying from another friendly first world country, my car is 86% Australian content with engine and trans sourced from America.

 

[AddDemiGod]

You’re ignoring the actual issue of buying from China, buying from them is supporting a regime with mass concentration camps using slave labor to produce items for the rest of the world. You’re supporting a country that ‘disappears’ people that speak against the official narrative, supporting a country that is using the profits they make to extend their pro-communism ideals to the rest of the world.

I’m sure if you whip a 10 year old child, deny them food, and threaten to kill their whole family if they don’t make your sneakers perfectly - they will produce a decent product given the right material.

In my 20s and college educated fwiw.

In order to achieve that moral high ground of not buying from that kind of horrible environment would mean just making everything yourself. It's almost impossible to find something not made in china. I don't like it but what the hell can I do? I would be stuck picking the shiniest of 2 turds, which one uses the least amount of slave labor.

 

[NCOBX]

In order to achieve that moral high ground of not buying from that kind of horrible environment would mean just making everything yourself. It's almost impossible to find something not made in china. I don't like it but what the hell can I do? I would be stuck picking the shiniest of 2 turds, which one uses the least amount of slave labor.

Apple for example is moving American production out of China, several chip manufacturers have opened recently in America, Mexico has started building TVs. America has begun producing drugs once only produced in China. Still have American manufacturers of appliances exist.

It’s becoming increasingly easier to shun China to the point you have to purposely buy Chinese. I think the one area you are SOL is the smaller 5%-25% of car parts that have established chains in China that are harder to move out. I don’t think Ford is nearly as bad about that as GM is for what it’s worth.

 

[Philly]

In order to achieve that moral high ground of not buying from that kind of horrible environment would mean just making everything yourself. It's almost impossible to find something not made in china. I don't like it but what the hell can I do? I would be stuck picking the shiniest of 2 turds, which one uses the least amount of slave labor.

I agree it's almost impossible to find anything that doesn't have at least some part of it made in China.

I am not sure if this is still true, but a few years ago, a new Honda had more American made parts in it than new Chevy. Pretty interesting.

 

[AddDemiGod]

I really don't think you understand the burden of proof concept, you HAVE to prove something to be real in order to call it real, you can't declare something and then demand people to prove you wrong, because when they surely fail to prove to you that fairies aren't real, you get to claim a hollow victory. Anyways from the limited knowledge I have of Getrag, they don't solely produce transmissions just for Ford.

 

[NCOBX]

I agree it's almost impossible to find anything that doesn't have at least some part of it made in China.

I am not sure if this is still true, but a few years ago, a new Honda had more American made parts in it than new Chevy. Pretty interesting.

Yes for a while the Odyssey was in the 80% range for American content iirc. Only the F150 was around the same level.

Can you 100% avoid China today? Probably not completely unless your really trying. But I mean buying something like the Buick Envision is spitting in the faces of Americans.

 

[jjack50]

Getrag operates a joint venture with Ford headquartered in Cologne, Germany. That is not all of Getrag though. They have two other joint ventures with Chinese manufacturers and also supply drivetrain parts for many other companies. According to Wikipedia.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

After a couple threads here today regarding Turbos, reliability and premium fuel requirements I may take a pass until there is a naturally aspirated engine available.

My old Mustang was an auto ecoboost, it was pretty reliable

What’s the last 4wd stick Tremec built? Duramax 5 speeds? You would probably have better luck with an Aisen AR5
I love my manuals but I have a bigger issue buying from the CCP than I do going with the automatic.

True, and I might of gotten my boxes mixed up

I cant argue with that... Damn, why did Ford go with the Commies?

 

[Philly]

Okay and back to talking purely about trucks because that's what this forum is for, right?

My dad's 2018 F-150 has the 3.5L with the 10 speed auto and 3.55 gearing and it is awesome. Hauls a 7,000lb boat no problem, but that one doesn't get towed very far.

He borrowed what I think was a 2016 F-150 with the 3.5L and 10 speed auto before he had a truck in order to pick a 5,000lb boat up Alabama and tow it back to Michigan. He went through the mountains and all kinds of stuff with that thing and he said he was absolutely blown away with the transmission. It ultimately led him to buy his current truck. I have driven this from time to time on long trips and have absolutely no complaints with the 10 speed, but I am also not trying to drag race it and the truck stays on the pavement so that's where all of my experience is.

The only problem we have ever had with the 10 speed is after the truck was in a fender bender (icy roads and inexperienced drivers don't mix) we noticed it was slipping and searching for gears while accelerating from lower speeds. We took it into the dealer and there was a recall on I'm not sure what, but they swapped parts in an afternoon and the truck has been good as new since. Truck has just shy of 40,000 miles on it.

A good friend of mine has also had two F-150's with the 2.7L and 10 speed. I am not sure on the years, but I think one was a 2015 and the current one is a 2019 and he has never had any issues with the transmission or the 2.7L and I think he put about 50,000 on the first truck and he has about 30,000 on the newer one.

I will say though, another friend of mine borrowed the newer F-150 with the 2.7L and 10 speed and he hated it for towing a roughly 2,500lb fishing boat with gear back and forth from Alabama (funny everyone I know goes there with boats). He usually drives a Silverado with the 5.3L and he says the power just does not compare. I think it's mostly because he hated the turbo lag over the instant power of his V8 and didn't have much to do with the engine or trans in the Ford.

I have driven all of the trucks I have been rambling about myself and it's really apples and oranges between the Chevy 5.3L and the Ford 2.7L, but the 3.5L and 2.7L to me feel about the same in the day to day stuff. I have no experience with the 2.3L, but I am greatly looking forward to getting the 2.7L and 10 speed with my Bronco! (2.7L with manual would still be nice though)

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