The 6G really isn't a rockcrawler.

[Tricky Dick]

There is no way to compare apples to apples. The EB is 92" WB, practically a Sami. Breakover angles might be the closest for some kind of direct comparison.

And stop with the Stock crap. We all know a bone stock EB is not going to crawl with 35's. Heck, you need a 3.5 lift to even get 35's past the stock rear (UNCUT) 1/4's and that is if suspension never travels, not even a 1/2".

The real question. At similar frame heights, which has more clearance. (and again, EB still wins, the breakover battle all day long, due to ultra short WB). But WB isn't everything in crawling. I'd say the EB WB is really detrimental. A Sami gets away with it as it is 2000lbs (which brings upa whole nuther topic of weight, which I told everyone on those board a while ago that those used to wheeling lightweight rigs were in for a new "experience", once you start pushing over 5k Lbs)

If you want to use a stock EB as your baseline, the apples to apples comparison is a base 6G, not a Sasquatch. So put 6" of lift and 35s on both a stock EB and a base 6G and see which is more capable.

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[The Driving Viking]

I know in stock form I can really tell the difference between my Bronco Sasquatch and my Jeep Xtreme Recon in the under belly department and clearance. My Jeeps stock ground clearance is 12.9 which is 1.3 inches more then the Sasquatchs 11.6... Even having them parked next to each other I notice the difference. Hard to see in the picture but in person it's noticeable. Especially side by side. Look underneath.

 

[LostInArizona]

I disagree that it's a flawed argument. The Sasquatch is the lifted version of the regular Bronco and it's not a competitive rock crawler in it's class. If I were saying a non-Sasquatch base or Big Bend was a terrible crawler nobody would batt an eye.

It's worth pointing out that NO stock production vehicle is particularly good at this kind of "rock crawling." Literally nothing on the market currently would be considered a "good rock crawler" by this standard. These are the only two options on the market really (as I am sure you are well aware), but it's rather disingenuous to suggest either of them of them is or is not "rock crawler," if you're using a trail like this to make that judgment. Even a stock Rubicon Recon with its 35's would struggle with this trail for similar reasons. However, both can obviously be modified to do this trail without issue, would it be more expensive to get a Bronco up to par, sure, each platform has its pros and cons.

Yes, we all admit, nor is anyone arguing, that there is a point where the platform becomes a limitation on those hard 8-10/10 trails. This trail, while no doubt difficult, comes nowhere close to pushing that limitation in my opinion. At least to the point of needing a dedicated crawling rig, which admittedly would likely be based on a Wrangler.

 

[Tricky Dick]

It's worth pointing out that NO stock production vehicle is particularly good at this kind of "rock crawling." Literally nothing on the market currently would be considered a "good rock crawler" by this standard. These are the only two options on the market really (as I am sure you are well aware), but it's rather disingenuous to suggest either of them of them is or is not "rock crawler," if you're using a trail like this to make that judgment. Even a stock Rubicon Recon with its 35's would struggle with this trail for similar reasons. However, both can obviously be modified to do this trail without issue, would it be more expensive to get a Bronco up to par, sure, each platform has its pros and cons.

Yes, we all admit, nor is anyone arguing, that there is a point where the platform becomes a limitation on those hard 8-10/10 trails. This trail, while no doubt difficult, comes nowhere close to pushing that limitation in my opinion. At least to the point of needing a dedicated crawling rig, which admittedly would likely be based on a Wrangler.

I'm with you there, there's nothing off the lot that will run that trail. Some of those Jeeps that ran it were pretty mild though. A 6G will have to go way past mild to keep up, and that is the foundation of my of my statement that the 6G is a poor rock crawler. If you need to be bigger than everyone else to do the same thing, it's an indictment against the platform.

 

[Bmadda]

I disagree that it's a flawed argument. The Sasquatch is the lifted version of the regular Bronco and it's not a competitive rock crawler in it's class. If I were saying a non-Sasquatch base or Big Bend was a terrible crawler nobody would batt an eye.

U know...way back in 2020, the day after the reveal I said basically what you are saying now, and was called a crackhead, jeep fanboy, etc. Since then we have kinda learned that the 6G trades alot of what coulda been offroad ability for mallcrawlability. Either way, I think your observations are 100% true. A 6G isn't a wrangler or an EB. It's a little bit of an uphill battle to keep up w/sfa vehicles, and always has been. Even taking the "stock vs. lifted" argument out of it, the IFS puts you at a disadvantage even when lifted. Ford obviously believed the marketing claim that 99.9% of buyers wont attempt anything remotely technical, if they ever leave the pavement at all. I take some satisfaction in the fact that 99.9% is a very flawed number, and a VERY large segment of 6G buyers bought them w/every intention of wheeling them. So my hope is that we will keep working on these, and close the gap w/jeep as the aftermarket invests more, and tinkerers like us keep doing mods. Look at it this way...you have a challenge now!

 

[DriveAllNight]

I disagree that it's a flawed argument. The Sasquatch is the lifted version of the regular Bronco and it's not a competitive rock crawler in it's class. If I were saying a non-Sasquatch base or Big Bend was a terrible crawler nobody would batt an eye.

What is the lift on a Sasquach? Less than 2 inches without checking, I think closer to 1 - how does that compare?

Edited, because this is going nowhere fast.
To each their own ... enjoy

 

[AMTRV]

This thread is as amusing as the dipstick thread.

 

[tomdaniel]

Only thing that has me riled up in this thread is a complete disregard for the scientific method.

 

[SS Bronco]

Yawn. I challenge anyone to complete Compressor Creek with a 6G on 35s without winching.

Looks like a cool trail. Never realized there was much in that area for exciting rock trails. Maybe next trip to Coeur d’alene instead of flying, I will bring up the Bronco.

 

[Snacktime]

Unlocked Big Bend doing everything jeeps on 37s did.

 

[Tricky Dick]

Looks like a cool trail. Never realized there was much in that area for exciting rock trails. Maybe next trip to Coeur d’alene instead of flying, I will bring up the Bronco.

I'd be happy to take you out there and if you can prove me wrong I'll gladly come back here and admit I just suck at driving.

 

[Felix808]

This thread is as amusing as the dipstick thread.

I almost went there too

 

[Mainerunr]

It's not a difficult conclusion, you're just stuck on your point of view.

The fact is 6Gs have less ground clearance than anything else on 35s you're likely to encounter on the trail and increasing that ground clearance will worsen it's other positive attributes.

A stock TJ on 33s blew through that area.

And you're stuck on the fact that resolving the issue will make the Bronco worse at what it does well, on road manners. None of those other vehicles on 35 have the on road manners that the bronco has. If you lift it to resolve the low belly, it will still be better on road than any of them.

And, none of those other vehicles, stock have any more belly clearance than the bronco...the reason they do is that none of them are stock (but the bronco is)

 

[Tricky Dick]

Unlocked Big Bend doing everything jeeps on 37s did.

At the risk of sounding like a pompous douche, that looks like a Subaru trail so I would hope a Bronco can do it.

 

[Mainerunr]

The stock Subaru Crosstrek (8.7) has higher clearance than the Base Bronco (8.4).

crosstrek is at the belly, bronco is at the diff. huge difference.

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