Ford Performance Calibration Tune for 2.7L Bronco's AVAILABLE NOW! - Lethal Performance

[Techun]

so my 3.73 gear ratio from my auto base will be switched to 4.70?! can some one explain how this works?

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[sjudas]

Finally.

@Ford Motor Company is it going to be CA legal?

I'm sure CA will be the one state where it will not be legal.

 

[Itchysquatch]

Can’t wait to start seeing dyno tests and real world results like does it still only make single digit boost in the first few gears or 22psi+ in all gears etc
Also can anyone confirm if a manual trans 2.3 is neutered in 1st-3rd like my temporary auto? Thanks

I regularly see 22psi in second gear (manual). First seems to be limited.

 

[Rocket]

I have a two door Big Bend with the 2.3 automatic and Sasquatch package and feel its very well powered. I can not feel the difference between 87 fuel and 93 fuel. I have never been in a position where i wish i had more power.

 

[Angry_Chris]

Will this calibration help with low end torque on the 2.3?

 

[jacknifetoaswan]

I contacted Cobb and they said they had no plans for a Ford Bronco 2.7 Tune. As of last week.

I saw a Cobb tuner listed on Panda's website, but it looks like it's sold out on a second look.

Panda and JB4 are both piggy back modules which we don’t really consider tunes as the pcm is never flashed with those devices. Not sure what Cobb has going on as we haven’t seen any real world experience with what they have to offer. As mentioned the only people who can truly flash the bronco up until the Ford Performance option was released is Whipple. Not only does the Whipple cal flash the vehicle with increased boost, spark and throttle response they also change the shift points, raise the speed limiter and disable the auto start/stop feature. Whipples device also data logs and had the ability to adjust for tire/gear ratio changes.

I hadn't looked that closely at the Panda and JB4 devices, but the point remains that a turbo V6 is going to end up having tuner support after enough of them get out on the road to make it a worthwhile endeavor. For anyone that needs faster turnaround than that, there are plenty of local shops that will do custom dyno tuning. As for what Whipple is doing, you're listing all the things that a normal tuner would do. Whipple's device doesn't make them special, it just makes them the first mover.

Regardless, there are very real limitations and a very narrow subset of people that this Ford Performance tuner is targeted at and marketed to. High cost of entry, complete vendor lock-in, and low gains restrict that to people that absolutely have to maintain their warranty status. It's the same way in the Mustang community, and it'll be the same in the Bronco community.

JR

 

[Cable Guy]

@LethalPerformance curious about your thoughts of this compared to the VR Tune which you also sell. I believe that is a piggyback which is undetectable if removed. It seems to increase performance considerably more. My guess is the warranty issue is the main difference... but undetectable essentially accomplishes the same thing

 

[LethalPerformance]

I saw a Cobb tuner listed on Panda's website, but it looks like it's sold out on a second look.

I hadn't looked that closely at the Panda and JB4 devices, but the point remains that a turbo V6 is going to end up having tuner support after enough of them get out on the road to make it a worthwhile endeavor. For anyone that needs faster turnaround than that, there are plenty of local shops that will do custom dyno tuning. As for what Whipple is doing, you're listing all the things that a normal tuner would do. Whipple's device doesn't make them special, it just makes them the first mover.

Regardless, there are very real limitations and a very narrow subset of people that this Ford Performance tuner is targeted at and marketed to. High cost of entry, complete vendor lock-in, and low gains restrict that to people that absolutely have to maintain their warranty status. It's the same way in the Mustang community, and it'll be the same in the Bronco community.

JR

Cobb isn't sold out. It was never available.

I also don't think you're fully aware of how it works on this platform. There is NO custom tuning support whatsoever and we don't expect that to change anytime soon.

Just sharing facts.

 

[jacknifetoaswan]

Cobb isn't sold out. It was never available.

I also don't think you're fully aware of how it works on this platform. There is NO custom tuning support whatsoever and we don't expect that to change anytime soon.

Just sharing facts.

I remember when people said that about the Charger and Challenger, when the PCMs were locked from the factory. But...

JR

 

[Kfonte]

Since I already have a Sasquatch package, the only real value here is the HP and TQ. Having a 2.3L, gaining 30/60 is pretty substantial, but is it worth the pricing? Would a piggyback system like the JB4 get me those types of gains? I just don’t know if dropping that kind of $$$ justifies the value for me, since there may be other options that could give me the same power for a lower cost. Yes, I understand the warranty aspect, but I feel that if there is a piggy back system that would give me the same gains for a lesser price point, I’d be willing to risk it. Can someone please tell me if I’m wrong with anything in my conclusion? Or if there’s anything I’m missing that would have me change my mind?

 

[LethalPerformance]

@LethalPerformance curious about your thoughts of this compared to the VR Tune which you also sell. I believe that is a piggyback which is undetectable if removed. It seems to increase performance considerably more. My guess is the warranty issue is the main difference... but undetectable essentially accomplishes the same thing

They are two completely different products so you really need to look at it and decide which option is better for you.

The VR tune is a great option just like the JB4 module. These are piggyback devices that are plug and play with the factory wiring harness. So at no point is the PCM ever flashed with them. Performance gains are really good. What these don't offer is transmission tuning, the disabling of the auto start/stop feature and the ability to adjust for gear ratio or tire changes.

The Ford Performance device and cal is a full flash device which not only increases boost and timing for more power but the shift schedule is also tuned. So the Bronco will have more optimum shift points than one that's stock or running a VR/JB4 module. This device also allows you to recalibrate the speedo for gear ratio and tire changes where the other devices don't. So if you do a lift and upgrade to a larger tire size or change axle ratio this is where the FP comes into play.

Now I'm unsure about some of the other things that the Whipple device offers and whether or not those features will also be available on the Ford Performance device. Things such as datalogging and the auto start/stop feature disabling.


As we get more info we'll definitely be sure to share it with you guys.

Thanks!

 

[LethalPerformance]

Since I already have a Sasquatch package, the only real value here is the HP and TQ. Having a 2.3L, gaining 30/60 is pretty substantial, but is it worth the pricing? Would a piggyback system like the JB4 get me those types of gains? I just don’t know if dropping that kind of $$$ justifies the value for me, since there may be other options that could give me the same power for a lower cost. Yes, I understand the warranty aspect, but I feel that if there is a piggy back system that would give me the same gains for a lesser price point, I’d be willing to risk it. Can someone please tell me if I’m wrong with anything in my conclusion? Or if there’s anything I’m missing that would have me change my mind?

That's obviously something for you to decide on. What's more important to you? The ability to retain warranty, take advantage of the shift scheduling changes or just make more power?

We've been running the Whipple cal on our Bronco for quite sometime now. It's a great cal and the device is real easy to use. It has similar features to the Ford Performance device and cal.

We also tested the Jb4 unit on one of my good friends Bronco and it's also pretty bad ass. Easy to install/remove, doesn't flash the PCM and makes great power. The only things it doesn't offer are the changes to the shift schedule, ability to recalibrate for tire/gear ratio changes and the disabling of the auto/start stop feature.

So each device has it's place. We carry them all and have quite a bit of experience with them so if you have any other questions or need help choosing which one to go with feel free to shoot us a message.

Thanks!

 

[JFelty]

Finally.

@Ford Motor Company is it going to be CA legal?

From Ford Perf site

 

[BigGarnet]

Not quite.
87 Octane is 315hp, 93 octane is 330
87 Octane is 410lb-ft, 93 octane is 415lb-ft.

I think it is probably to keep the hp/tq from being in the BRaptor range...

Every little bit right? If you gain 15hp and 5lb-ft from changing octane then another 25hp and 18lbft from the tune, you're up 40hp and 23lb-ft (probably with a lot more under the curve)

Based on the one article I found quickly, 5-Star got improvements of 38hp and 40lb-ft at the wheel...

Not sure what you mean here. The net gain is 25hp/18ft.lbs. That's it. No more. The numbers they gave for the tune are at 93 Octane, so if you are already running 93, that's what you get more (25/18). If you are running 87, you get about the same...probably a bit less. Either way, you can switch from 87 to 93 now and get more HP gain than this tune gives if you aren't already running 93. I garee every little bit, but for $700 this is insignificant and probably not very noticeable.

 

[LethalPerformance]

Is this anything like an SCT Livewire TS+ ? Are Stock Tunes saved for reinstalling? Can custom tunes be created depending on the upgrades / mods a vehicle might have? Or are preloaded canned tunes only available?

Good questions. This is similar to a device such as the SCT livewire/X4 or BDX in the fact that it's an actual flash tool and flashes over the factory calibration. Where the other devices such as the JB4 and VRTuning one are piggyback modules that don't flash the PCM.

I'm not 100% sure on whether the stock file is saved to the device though. Currently the only other full flash device and cal for the Bronco is from Whipple where the stock calibration isn't saved. So if you wanted to go back to stock you'd need to take the vehicle to the dealer where it would be flashed back to stock with the newer Ford software which is more advanced than the older IDS tool that dealers used.

Custom tuning isn't offered. It's just a single calibration based off of your VIN. That's how they know whether the Bronco being flashed is a 2.3L or 2.7L as well as what tire size and gear ratios the vehicle has. Hope that helps.

As we get more info we'll be sure to share it with everyone.

Thanks!

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