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I totally get where you are coming from now with this post, this explains it better than your previous posts.

The part I still get hung up on is that you would consider going to other vehicles that might be less capable than the Bronco Badlands. I would think that if you optioned the lockers and threw some better tires on the OBX trim, it would be just as capable for anything you might encounter.

But in the ends it's your money do whatever puts a smile on your face and that is all that matters.
Bronco Badlands is likely what I'll end up with as well. Maybe a WT. Hell...Maybe an FE if I want it that bad.

A base without Sasquatch would do everything off-road I'll likely ever want to do in a Bronco. Base Jeep would be the same. But I'd buy a Rubicon if I were to buy a Jeep tomorrow. Higher trims come with things I expect in an expensive vehicle, and let's face it...They look a lot better.
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Ive had 4 Fords and soon to be 5 (2 F150s and 2 Mustangs) vs 2 Toyotas, speaking from my own experience Ive done more work outside of regular maintenance on the Fords than Toyotas, again from my personal ownership
 

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I'll be that guy even though I am all for people just buying whatever they want.

OP if you are saying its 95% on road and 5% off road, why are you looking at what appears to be the most capable off road trim? Why not drop down a trim and see if that gets you more in your budget?
This is very, very, very true. If the Bronco is a "lifestyle appearance" vehicle for you to get that "off road" feeling on your daily drive to work is actually a run up the mountains and through the mud, you don't need full-kit vehicles to do so. Get the look with OB and the technology pack and purchase the vehicle you're saying you want, but refusing to consciously identify that you want.

Same as all the TRD-pro stuff listed in the OP. All of that is simply money wasted, and in a thread about Bronco being too expensive, I find the irony palpable.

Sun hats are super cute on some girls!

I like to support a company that pushes product and technology. In the last 10 years Ford has really pushed it >> Ford GT, Ford Raptor (gen1 and gen2), Focus RS, GT350 and GT350R and GT500 and now it looks like the Gen3 Raptor will get a Supercharged V8. And the Bronco is just right around the corner

What has Toyota done in the last 10 years?
It's as if you don't follow the automotive sector at all, especially brands other than Ford....

Toyota has announced the TRD Corolla and also has a manual transmission in the base Corolla hatch. Gazoo racing Yaris has slipped your mind??? TRD Camry with $5,000 body kit that looks the tits and no engine/suspension changes. It's rumored that in 2021 model year Tacoma's they will fix the insanely stupid rev-hang in their ecu tuning and some models will get disc brakes all around before your first dealer visit for ecu reflash. Wireless charging (just like your $4 amazon charge pad does) is STANDARD in Tacoma assuming you're a double-amputee and enjoy a truck with the seating position from hell.

The GF has been absolutely dead-set on getting a Tacoma TRD for the about 5 years (of which we had only been dating for 1 year). She makes her own (damn good) money and is (absolutely friken) smart but with poor taste (in men). The 2019 Ranger had just been announced and even though we had test driven a few Tacoma's, I encouraged her to at least drive the competition that was the new truck in town. After a 15 minute drive at a pre-release event here in Seattle, and while I was in Amsterdam visiting friends so she did the test all by herself, she put money down on the Ranger at the event.

Simply put, Toyota sells Tacoma's because they are Tacoma's. Mechanically good kit, and "look" like a truck is apparently supposed to look. But nothing about that truck has been designed for a human to interface with. 1990's materials and layout inside.

A friend who is the service manager for a Toyota Dealership has a Tundra and while we were driving I asked him if it was a early 90's model year..... He looked at me sadly and said "2004".... Apparently for two decades after production, Toyota was buying spare Ford Taurus interior pieces and installing them in their trucks, who knew!

Toyota jumped the shark by Y2K and hasn't done anything worthwhile since then. Honda stopped in the mid 90's.
 
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If the open air experience isn't a priority or a desire, or being a beast on most off road environments, I can't even fathom why a Bronco would be on your radar.

But I need something fully capable on light trails and the beach.
You answered your own question:

I don't need an "open air experience"...

But like you, "I need something fully capable on light trails and the beach."
 

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The pricing of the Bronco really didn't surprise me that much. But, the cost between some trim levels set me back a bit. The $4885 price difference between the 2 door base, and the Big Bend seems quite high for what you get. I was thinking I would like to have the BB w/the mid package. But having to pay $4885 for the privilege to spend $1600 more just doesn't set well with me. So, I'm sticking with a base door, and be done. I'm retired now, and it really isn't about the money. It's more about making sense of how I spend the money.
 

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You answered your own question:

I don't need an "open air experience"...

But like you, "I need something fully capable on light trails and the beach."
You read my post totally wrong. The first part was in reference to the OP.

I want the open air experience being a former m/c rider.
 

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You answered your own question:

I don't need an "open air experience"...

But like you, "I need something fully capable on light trails and the beach."
Just breaking your needs down to those fundamental criteria, the Bronco Sport Badlands would fit the bill.

I'm in a similar quandary. The finance isn't an issue, I have the bands of cash collecting dust just waiting to be spent. My main off-road utility will be beach driving. I'm at the beach way too much. I've never had problems, but I have a whole photo gallery of those who have had bad days at the beach digging out their vehicle. My current 4WD only has 83K, but I'm getting bored with it.

Since I seen the 4DR Cactus Grey/White Top concept, I've been hooked. I won't spend $50K to only have to wrap or paint parts to achieve a look. Until Ford makes the concept a reality, I'll wait. In the meantime, I'm considering the BS Badlands.
 

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Ive had 4 Fords and soon to be 5 (2 F150s and 2 Mustangs) vs 2 Toyotas, speaking from my own experience Ive done more work outside of regular maintenance on the Fords than Toyotas, again from my personal ownership
I don't want to derail the thread, but I've had the same experience. Toyota has been spot on for me and my family. As for Ford...let's just say it has been a love/hate relationship.
 

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Ive had 4 Fords and soon to be 5 (2 F150s and 2 Mustangs) vs 2 Toyotas, speaking from my own experience Ive done more work outside of regular maintenance on the Fords than Toyotas, again from my personal ownership
Not trying to argue, but resale is highly influenced by perception. For reference, I wrote buying another Ford off ever again a few months before the Bronco's release (for allowing an employee to voice incorrect political opinions). I was a Ford loyalist. This is not a Ford boy opinion. This is decades of real-world experience. Again, Ford always updates and innovates, which will require learning curves. Something Toyota does not do. I have been an ASE Master Certified Mechanic for 22 years in an independent shop and a Fleet Manager over 3000 trucks, so I've seen it all. There have been Fords that routinely go over a million miles and I personally worked on a few work vehicles gas and diesel that had over half a million on the clock with all the stock running gear. Let's just say that Fords take a little more parts changes. Seems like a small price to pay when you look at the tech and power differences between a 4 runner and Ranger. My guess is anything you have had to address has not left you on the side of the road, which is what reliability really is right? I like small trucks and had a 2005 Ranger 2.3, but I'd never buy one again cause they were slugs. If the new Bronco had a motor like the Toyota or old Ranger, I wouldn't give 20K for a FE. Thankfully with Ford leading the charge on auto development and innovation, we don't have to. As a master certified mechanic that works on all makes, I oppose the opinion that Toyota is better than any other good car company. Seen too much in my time. Are they a bad company? No, are they great? No.
 

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Just breaking your needs down to those fundamental criteria, the Bronco Sport Badlands would fit the bill.
This. The Sport doesn't get enough attention, sadly. It fits the needs of most and I think we'll see some Bronco reservations flipping once the Sport hits the lots. Plenty of off-road capability for the beach, logging road, or lake. If Sticker shock is an issue and you're cross shopping the Rav4 or 4Runner...Sport should be on top of the list.
 

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Honestly, I'm probably even worse in terms of usage. 99% daily driver, 1% driving over a road with dirt on it. I love the Bronco for nostalgia (and really do like how it looks). I have an OBX preordered but considering Badlands.

Why?

Because the Badlands grille is by far the sexiest, to the point where it's the only style I'm excited about.

Maybe grilles will be purchasable aftermarket/exchangeable? Unclear.
 

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Maybe grilles will be purchasable aftermarket/exchangeable? Unclear.
Oh yeah, if you're just looking for the grille...save the money. There's going to be a flood on the used market once aftermarket companies start getting rid of them. Plus you can always buy one New Stock from the parts counter.
 

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Not trying to argue, but resale is highly influenced by perception.
Perception...but also facts. If the reality didn't match up, the perception would quickly change.

No one questions your experience...but there must be something to the reliability to keep the perception so strong.
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