Bronco R Race Prototype Revealed for Baja 1000!

[The Pope]

Time for somebody with the ability to overlay the sheeted Bronco image over a profile shot of this one. See how they line up.

See post #145 (pg13) & then post #186 (pg10)......

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[Toyhoarder]

Another thing about the Bronco R-the number on it is 2069

6/9/2020 is the first day of the NAIAS and is also still Spring of 2020 since Summer doesn't start in the northern hemisphere till June 20, 2020

According to the video, 20=the race class, 69 pays homage to the Baja early bronco.

 

[Toyhoarder]

I didn't even include desert racing or pre running in the desert in my break down of Bronco usage. But if there is a Raptor variant; that type of usage will be much higher than 1%, While there are plenty of pavement queen Raptors. There is a significant amount of owners who drive them real hard. Enough for Ford Performance to justify having a free of charge Raptor Assault offroad school you can attend to learn how to not die in your 5900lb flying offroad death machine.

In the context of the the comment threads being reference here rock crawling is a extreme branch of "offroading" and is likely being accurately represented when conversations points are referencing swamping in 1 ton axles into a 1/4ton vehicle.

I think it is safe to say the consideration of rock clawing suggests to potential to damage body and chassis components for any stock offroad vehicle. Which is something no one making payments on a vehicle wants to happen.

You are describing "wheeling, offroading, hitting the trails" something that a lot of stock 4x4 body on frame vehicle can do. I know, I just did a 6500 mile overlanding trip through the Rockies and BC with leveled F150 SCREW on 35's; about and 1/8th of that being through 4x4 trails and janky service roads. Went every where my buddies JKU went with a couple extra K turns. Quality tires and the correct tire pressure get you 80% of the way. The Bronco will go through technical terrian where 4low is needed just fine, because the Ranger does already.

I can’t wait until the new wears off that rig and you get to repeatedly change ball joints, tie rod ends, cvs, hubs, and IWEs like me.

 

[68fbjjz109]

It’s a great idea and that’s it. They are going after Jeep. They aren’t going after their own truck the Raptor.

If I can find the Ford Performance Q&A sessions document I will post later, but I am pretty sure they confirmed they are doing just that. With both the Ranger, and the Bronco. I pretty sure there are a few Ranger Raptors at Rousch right now. The simple fact is The F150 is to big for people, so they will never buy one, they are already waiting for the Ranger, then there is the subset of people who want all gear to be internal, and others who simple just want a Bronco and not a Ranger. So they aren't really cannibalizing their sales that much. And they will get some of the 4runner, and Jeep causal market for sure with the Bronco.

Buy putting in removable top and doors, they already targeted Jeep in the most meaningful way. Look through most Jeep forum Vs. sections. The logic flow chart goes circles around Doors, Top, Axles.
Ford is giving them 2/3, with a better powertrain, and a different twist on how to deliver offroad performance in their chassis. Heck there is a 75 pages thread on the Bronco in the JL forums.

 

[Jalisurr]

Something I think a lot of people gloss over.

wranglers sell so much not because of what they are used for, but what they CAN be used for. And they've proven themselves capable of what they CAN do for decades now. Problem is, the IFS Bronco will most likely not be able to compete at the top echelon in stock classes with what the wrangler CAN do, and would certainly not be able to compete in the home garage modified type group with 6" lifts and 37" tires on a stock axle, simply because the IFS cannot handle that where as the D44 can (barely). Because an IFS cannot compete at these levels, it would never have the cred it would need to sell in numbers comparable with the Jeep for more than a year or two.

I.E. Unless the Bronco can prove that it is every bit as tough and capable as the Wrangler, it will be short lived in even the mall crawler market space. Because even mall crawlers want a vehicles that CAN do something, even if they never DO anything with it.

You're absolutely correct that to be a success the Bronco needs to build credibility. However, they can prove that they are as tough and capable as the Wrangler in a different way. The Raptor proved its creds by going fast and earned its place in the mall crawler echelon, the Bronco could do it the same way. Bronco needs to have the same LEVEL of credibility as Wrangler, but it doesn't need to have the SAME credibility. An IFS can't have huge lifts and huge tires as easily, but set up right it can do other off-road activities (Baja) to build credibility in ways a Wrangler can't.

Obviously in a perfect world we'd have a Bronco for everyone that can do everything, but...we'll see.

 

[Sherminiator]

According to the video, 20=the race class, 69 pays homage to the Baja early bronco.

Ah dang it-so much for trying to read into things

 

[68fbjjz109]

I can’t wait until the new wears off that rig and you get to repeatedly change ball joints, tie rod ends, cvs, hubs, and IWEs like me.

Maybe, families' old 99 Expedition didn't need anything for the 268k it had on it besides a head taped and helicoiled... Routine maintenance is key, but it never really saw anything besides two tracks, and deep snow. But the F150 sits 4 adults very comfortably, 5 adults adults well, and 6 if needed. Great crash scores, quiet and comfy for the family, and averages 21-23 mpg with the 35's and about 26 without (Diesel). It has way to may pros, to include the inherent benefits of IFS I get every day driving it to get upset about it. I would consider it an issues if exceeds forecasted component life.

Trying to warm the ole lady up to the Bronco because I cant justify getting rid of the F150 for it.

 

[Carolina Jim]

According to the video, 20=the race class, 69 pays homage to the Baja early bronco.

I'm sure he knows that & is betting on the double entendre

 

[JimmyDean]

You're absolutely correct that to be a success the Bronco needs to build credibility. However, they can prove that they are as tough and capable as the Wrangler in a different way. The Raptor proved its creds by going fast and earned its place in the mall crawler echelon, the Bronco could do it the same way. Bronco needs to have the same LEVEL of credibility as Wrangler, but it doesn't need to have the SAME credibility. An IFS can't have huge lifts and huge tires as easily, but set up right it can do other off-road activities (Baja) to build credibility in ways a Wrangler can't.

Obviously in a perfect world we'd have a Bronco for everyone that can do everything, but...we'll see.

In a perfect world you'll have 4 suspension options. standard IFS, D44, long travel narrow diff IFS, and D60 axles. maybe even an IRS option, along with 1/2 ton and 1 ton rear axles. MAybe even a portal or 2.5 ton option, or planetary for those wanting to run 55s?

And I4 TT, V6TT, V8 NA, and diesel engine options.

 

[Toyhoarder]

Maybe, families' old 99 Expedition didn't need anything for the 268k it had on it besides a head taped and helicoiled... Routine maintenance is key, but it never really saw anything besides two tracks, and deep snow. But the F150 sits 4 adults very comfortably, 5 adults adults well, and 6 if needed. Great crash scores, quiet and comfy for the family, and averages 21-23 mpg with the 35's and about 26 without (Diesel). It has way to may pros, to include the inherent benefits of IFS I get every day driving it to get upset about it. I would consider it an issues if exceeds forecasted component life.

Trying to warm the ole lady up to the Bronco because I cant justify getting rid of the F150 for it.

I think the ball joints and tie rods do fine on stock or even lifted rigs but leveling kits force them to operate at angles they weren’t designed for. Just my experience with 200k on a leveled F-150.

 

[68fbjjz109]

I think the ball joints and tie rods do fine on stock or even lifted rigs but leveling kits force them to operate at angles they weren’t designed for. Just my experience with 200k on a leveled F-150.

It most certainly does place a little more strain, one of the reasons kept it around 2" with the 5100 shocks. I use the "Off Road Conditions" selection for my vehicle profile for its maintenance scheduled through Ford.

 

[Toyhoarder]

It most certainly does place a little more strain, one of the reasons kept it around 2" with the 5100 shocks. I use the "Off Road Conditions" selection for my vehicle profile for its maintenance scheduled through Ford.

I tried using the 5100s set at 2” but couldn’t stand the ride. It felt like there was no down travel left. Ending up setting them back to zero and using a regular 2” leveling kit.

 

[PNW_Bronco94]

Ah dang it-so much for trying to read into things

Why not both? The NAIAS would be the perfect place for a reveal - Spring, outdoors, on Ford's home turf. That's my bet for the reveal.

 

[Toyhoarder]

While understanding sometimes photos don't do justice in terms of trail difficulty, I'd say there is a range of off-road driving, in between that shot of your truck on a fairly low obstacle trail, and people driving over refrigerator sized boulders. People take new JLs rock crawling. You can see any number of videos on YouTube of people rock crawling, driving up and down rocky ledges and encountering other obstacles in their vehicles. My hope is the new Bronco is designed to excel in that stuff.

Not sure if the following video link will post correctly. Not my video, but I was on this same Moab Rim trail a while back, and at that spot where the Jeep comes close to rolling, a buddy broke an axle shaft in his Land Rover. We had to winch him up, just so he could turn around, because backing up was getting dicey. And believe me, you don't want to roll over that edge because it's a long drop, lol. Anyway, I give this just as an example of something above what you were probably doing in your loaded full sized truck, but below the kitted out custom rigs.

I almost went over backwards in my rzr going up that obstacle.

I agree with you. Tons of good stuff in Utah and Colorado that will push a JL to its limit, without too much risk of body damage. Unfortunately I believe the JL is going to remain in a league of its own.

 

[BroncoRevital]

Buy putting in removable top and doors, they already targeted Jeep in the most meaningful way. Look through most Jeep forum Vs. sections. The logic flow chart goes circles around Doors, Top, Axles.
Ford is giving them 2/3, with a better powertrain, and a different twist on how to deliver offroad performance in their chassis. Heck there is a 75 pages thread on the Bronco in the JL forums.

Exactly. The Jeep is a one trick pony. The Bronco is going to be able to do more, better. Except only in extreme rock crawling but in every other way it should be better. Including trials. I’m totally ok with that.

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