Dilemma with the Raptor

[Abramsman1]

So after receiving the Golden Ticket to be able to order a Raptor, i find myself in a bit of a weird headspace. I am a day 1 res with a 2dr wildtrak on order and no date or vin yet and i have reached the point of Zen or Bliss and just living life without it despite how much i want it.

At MSRP my WT is 51k and with unknown numbers on the raptor packages im assuming my build would probably be around 74k but that is also without an ADM which is inevitable. I would love to be able to own a raptor and if i can secure one for MSRP ill do it, but i won't be paying any MSRP plus ADM as im sure most on here feel the same.

My headspace is i know i want a 2dr WT but at the same time to be able to own a Raptor would just be amazing and something i really could only dream of. I wish Ford would run programs much like the GT whereas you sign a contract that you won't Buy and flip right away with a minimum 1 year ownership etc... These "limited models" would be sitting in driveways instead of showrooms for years. I understand markups from dealerships, i dont like them, but i understand them especially in this day and age with everything going on but the fact that dealerships use the "well this will easily sell for 100k at the auction" excuse is embarrassing and frankly unprofessional.

It goes both ways too for flippers that buy and sell for 100k+, it always comes back to the "auction" value and not what it actually should be worth. There are vehicles out there that if i had the money id pay more than its worth just to own but those vehicles are also 200k+ real value on their own.

I am ranting a bit but it would make sense for programs that involve "select individuals" to purchase "limited/special" edition vehicles to follow guidelines, rules and stipulations on purchasing those vehicles. On top of that, dealerships could also throw in their own rules like "if you choose to sell the vehicle after 1 year, the dealership has first dibs" or something along those lines.

It is my personal opinion that if this was done to avoid paying ADM, you would have a LOT more happy customers for both Ford and individual Dealerships. Again i think the whole process is a dilemma personally but what does everyone think?

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[bajabronco57]

I think the current system Ford is pushing is trying to incentivize dealerships to sell at MSRP or as close to it as possible. As for what model to get I would say get the one you really want. If the 2D WT is the perfect Bronco for you then stick with that.

I would caution being too hasty on making a decision until the full build for the Raptor is out. Wait, then decide.

 

[Cactus Jack]

I agree, but just keep this in mind. If you get the Wildtrak and then one day in traffic, a Bronco Raptor pulls up beside you, are you going to have regret? If so, you should get the Raptor. If not, get the WT.

I totally get the ADM situation. It is out of control! I would be tempted to call Ford’s Bronco marketing team and just tell them the situation. See if you can’t switch to a dealer that will sell at MSRP. It may not work, but it is certainly worth a shot!

I think the current system Ford is pushing is trying to incentivize dealerships to sell at MSRP or as close to it as possible. As for what model to get I would say get the one you really want. If the 2D WT is the perfect Bronco for you then stick with that.

I would caution being too hasty on making a decision until the full build for the Raptor is out. Wait, then decide.

 

[thenewjs]

I agree, but just keep this in mind. If you get the Wildtrak and then one day in traffic, a Bronco Raptor pulls up beside you, are you going to have regret? If so, you should get the Raptor. If not, get the WT.

I totally get the ADM situation. It is out of control! I would be tempted to call Ford’s Bronco marketing team and just tell them the situation. See if you can’t switch to a dealer that will sell at MSRP. It may not work, but it is certainly worth a shot!

If a Raptor pulled up to me and I knew I could have had one with ADM. No regrets on my end. If one rolled up on me knowing I cold have had one at MSRP and the wife had blessed the purchase, I would feel a certain way.

 

[RagnarKon]

Yeah I completely understand the dilemma.

Because you were selected for a Bronco Raptor, you are really close to having your Wildtrak build scheduled. Basically next in line once the components become available. So the good news is you will probably end up with a Bronco this year either way unless the supply chain just completely collapses.

I personally would take a step back and decide if the Bronco Raptor even fits into your life. Simple stuff—for example—if you get a Bronco Raptor, will it even fit into a garage?? If you can't put it into a garage, are you okay with it sitting outside? Are you looking to off-roading in your Bronco? If so, will the trails be wide enough for the Bronco Raptor? Are there trails you will be avoiding that you wouldn't avoid in the Wildtrak simply because it is a Bronco Raptor and you don't want to damage it?

Once you figure all of that out, decide if it is worth the extra $20,000+. If it's not worth it, pass on it. If so... go for it and see what the ADMs are like.

 

[The Pope]

Something else to consider... 2D vs. 4D

We've only seen the Bronco Raptor as a 4D and it's "believed" that's the only way that @Ford Motor Company will offer it. (I really wish that they'd do a 2D Raptor on a 4D frame... I'd be.... Here, Take My Money!!!!! even with ADM)

So.... how important is the number of doors? If you can find a dealer with a 2D & 4D available for you to just sit in, it might help you with our decision.

 

[TripleB]

I love what I have and it's really all I need but if I could get one, I would think hard about it.

I tell myself the wide body wouldn't play well in the SE. It probably wouldn't play well in PA either.

 

[CVSJR]

At first I was appalled that Ford picked me to pay my dealer $25K to purchase a Raptor, who's golden ticket is it, the dealers? Then my son told me the ADM dealers charge on other specialty vehicles and reminded me what I paid for my Z06. Now my feeling is there is no way I'm giving this Raptor to the dealer, I'll haggle with them but in the end I'm buying it and probably keeping so I'll never know if I over paid.

 

[Silver-Bolt]

I have a 2018 F150 Raptor and previously a 2011 Gen-1 Raptor. Both were not first year models. Both first year models Gen1 & Gen2 Raptors had various issues that were worked out in later models. I won't buy a first year new generation Raptor. Just my personal fear/phobia. So far it has worked in my favor. Prices come down after the initial hype and bugs tend to get worked out. If I were in your shoes I would take the WT and enjoy it while watching what the BRaptor market is doing.

 

[tyrobronco]

I'm a 2-door guy so both the "raptor" and 'everglades' editions hold 0 interest for me.

 

[Abramsman1]

I have a 2018 F150 Raptor and previously a 2011 Gen-1 Raptor. Both were not first year models. Both first year models Gen1 & Gen2 Raptors had various issues that were worked out in later models. I won't buy a first year new generation Raptor. Just my personal fear/phobia. So far it has worked in my favor. Prices come down after the initial hype and bugs tend to get worked out. If I were in your shoes I would take the WT and enjoy it while watching what the BRaptor market is doing.

Youre certainly not wrong, i have the same mentality towards 1st year vehicles as well however, this opportunity is hard to pass up at the moment at least. ya the market will eventually correct and come back to normal levels hopefully but to be 1 of 2 people to get an allocation in my area that i know of, it feels like a good move. not to flip or resell or anything but to actually keep for myself.

 

[Abramsman1]

I'm a 2-door guy so both the "raptor" and 'everglades' editions hold 0 interest for me.

Its hard to give up the 2dr for sure because i dont need 4 doors NOW but eventually it probably would be the smarter move

 

[Abramsman1]

At first I was appalled that Ford picked me to pay my dealer $25K to purchase a Raptor, who's golden ticket is it, the dealers? Then my son told me the ADM dealers charge on other specialty vehicles and reminded me what I paid for my Z06. Now my feeling is there is no way I'm giving this Raptor to the dealer, I'll haggle with them but in the end I'm buying it and probably keeping so I'll never know if I over paid.

I dont want to jinx it but i actually will be getting my Raptor at MSRP. I made the decision i wont buy if there is ADM but i talked to the GM of my dealership and he said its gunna be sold for MSRP and again i dont wanna jinx it or anything, im gunna wait till the actual B&P and sign the agreement for price but as far as i know right now, its MSRP.

 

[okbob]

Its hard to give up the 2dr for sure because i dont need 4 doors NOW but eventually it probably would be the smarter move

You've held out this long because you want a 2D and are most likely close to being scheduled, so now they throw a 4D limited model in the mix, that will include an ADM, and you don't know when you'll get it. Seems like an easy decision to me

 

[Ig_bronco]

So after receiving the Golden Ticket to be able to order a Raptor, i find myself in a bit of a weird headspace. I am a day 1 res with a 2dr wildtrak on order and no date or vin yet and i have reached the point of Zen or Bliss and just living life without it despite how much i want it.

At MSRP my WT is 51k and with unknown numbers on the raptor packages im assuming my build would probably be around 74k but that is also without an ADM which is inevitable. I would love to be able to own a raptor and if i can secure one for MSRP ill do it, but i won't be paying any MSRP plus ADM as im sure most on here feel the same.

My headspace is i know i want a 2dr WT but at the same time to be able to own a Raptor would just be amazing and something i really could only dream of. I wish Ford would run programs much like the GT whereas you sign a contract that you won't Buy and flip right away with a minimum 1 year ownership etc... These "limited models" would be sitting in driveways instead of showrooms for years. I understand markups from dealerships, i dont like them, but i understand them especially in this day and age with everything going on but the fact that dealerships use the "well this will easily sell for 100k at the auction" excuse is embarrassing and frankly unprofessional.

It goes both ways too for flippers that buy and sell for 100k+, it always comes back to the "auction" value and not what it actually should be worth. There are vehicles out there that if i had the money id pay more than its worth just to own but those vehicles are also 200k+ real value on their own.

I am ranting a bit but it would make sense for programs that involve "select individuals" to purchase "limited/special" edition vehicles to follow guidelines, rules and stipulations on purchasing those vehicles. On top of that, dealerships could also throw in their own rules like "if you choose to sell the vehicle after 1 year, the dealership has first dibs" or something along those lines.

It is my personal opinion that if this was done to avoid paying ADM, you would have a LOT more happy customers for both Ford and individual Dealerships. Again i think the whole process is a dilemma personally but what does everyone think?

Hold up, Day one res? Like 2021 day one?! if so, holy crap my sympathies go out to you. Buy what makes you happy. You know you're going be happy with a WT just take that. IMO the raptor is entirely way to big for its supposed purpose (off roading) they tout it to be Baja, You're listed in PA, last i checked there aren't no deserts in PA. Depending on your location (middle, eastern pa) you have trails. Us on the western front aren't so lucky, dirt roads it is. Just leave the raptors for the "monster chugging-Kyles"

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