Anyone looking at doing a Bugout build?

[Skmac]

I already left all you mainlanders behind 6 years ago The urban sprawl and the retaliation against a african american in charge were both looking like a bad time coming. Guess I was right. Lucky to live on this side of the island. Everybody here knows that there is a bridge about 2 miles from us that once they blow it or block it. Nobody is getting in or out of this side without serious climbing skills. We got water, fish, boar, and plenty of crops and building material over here. We also grow alot of sugarcane so I bet I can work out some ethanol for my Bronco.

What Island?

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[MaverickMan]

I prefer a bug-out vehicle without electronics.

True dat! Thats why I got my Eagle and tons of old parts.

 

[dwbronco]

Unless it's NBC, I'm sitting tight with all of my assets.

We kinda got hit with the middle one (biological) in 2020. Did you bug out, then?

 

[MaverickMan]

What Island?

Maui. Any attacks would likely be on Oahu or The Big Island. Maui has nothing militarily strategic except for some telescopes that Big Island also has. But we got tons of rain, deep lush fertile valleys, natural indigenous food sources, and a whole lot of rich people to eat just kidding. But seriously we got em

Not that this is a big motivator for me. More like just a happy coincidence that the place in the world where I found my best job ever, and the love of my life just so happens to be my kind of paradise. Just need a new Bronco to romp around in with my old one.

 

[The_Phew]

In every major societal upheaval over the past century (the world wars, Russian Revolution, Maoist Revolution, etc.), the key to survival was to lay low and not have anything worth stealing.

Your best bet in occupied France (for instance) wasn't to roll around in a Citroën TUB full of ammo and all your prepper gear. It was to quietly go to work and bake bread or whatever until the Russians showed up in Berlin.

I think all these prepper-types need to spend less time watching Hollywood movies, and more time reading history books. Nothing wrong with trying to be more self-sufficient (just ask any Texan from the recent crisis), but think of how many of those Texans wished they could have traded some of their ammo hoard for a propane space heater. Those hybrid F-150s sure were nice to have, though!

 

[Daktari]

if the *it really hits the fan, there won't be no gas to fill up your vehicle anyways, I always have to laugh at stuff like The Walking Dead, years in they're still driving, LOL.
Just a simple power outage will mean no gas unless you syphon it out of the underground tanks.
Weeks or months into some crisis? Car might make a nice shelter or storage closet, that's it.

But I do have to add that the 4x4 capabilities are something I want in case we get a crazy fire in my town like they had in Paradise or Santa Rosa. We'd be trapped if a fire starts down or street unless we have a vehicle that can go off road and around all the non-offroad vehicles that got to the open space before me and got stuck. A fast moving fire is really the only thing I'm concerned about, not earthquakes, not marauding masses of zombies or ninjas trying to steal my crap. But I'd rather not roast in my own yard.

I agree with the poster just a couple posts up, this 'bug out' fantasy that lots of paranoid 'preppers' have is rather amusing. Best bet is to stay put, where you know your way around and know what's what and where it is.

 

[tracythemighty]

Your living in Jersey is your primary vulnerability my friend. Too many people in a 3-4 state radius of you; you'd likely never make it out.

I know that YouTube and other parts of the internets are all full of "bug out" bag or "bug out" vehicle talk, but unless you live in a remote area already, "bugging out" is a theory and fallacy, so you'd be better spending money in other places.

If SHTF, best thing to do is hunker down and protect your turf and coordinate with others for resources and security.

Preppers are also in an interesting position. Basically, if a guy or home/family are known for being preppers, they're the first who'll be attacked and the first house to raid. Same with guys known to stockpile guns and ammo.

Having resources is easy, only takes money and commitment. However, holding on to your resources is where things become difficult. First, do you have weapons? Second, do you know how to use them, third, do you understand security and fortification? Then we can get into what security you have, what are your fortifications, where are your blind spots, and most important, do you have what it takes to execute as needed when necessary? For most men, the answer is no to almost everything I just listed.

Being a shooter or being a killer are two totally different concepts. Wanting to protect your family and knowing how to protect your family are also different, then the question of are you willing to do what needs to be done comes up.

Another thing. Guys who are already in remote areas will not welcome all of the city boys "invading" they're areas, consuming resources, and not providing much in return. Money will not help you in a true SHTF situation. Being mobile consumes a lot of resources and can be very unpredictable. Then, is your wife trained? Are you kids trained? Likely not in most instances.

My big question is bug out to where? With whom? I have land back in Alabama. However, getting to there from Atlanta isn't totally realistic. Best to secure where I live now and work with a select group of neighbors/friends/family to do what needs to be done.

Again, those who are resource rich are the first to be overrun if they have no training. And for the veterans out there. The military is trained to operate as a team. Door kickers have the training to do whatever the mission is required. So, unless a vet has invested time, energy, and money into training as an individual, take away the support/team, and they may be almost as vulnerable as those who never served.

For the range guys out there, targets are different than firing at another human. Hunters; human prey are smarter than that deer or even a wild hog, plus, in America, many have guns too and luck happens more often than you'd think.

These are just thoughts not to discourage, but to consider and plan for.

I have.

You have clearly given this a lot of thought. For anyone living in a city, I see no choice but to plan some kind of bug out wtshtf. Just look at how crazy people got last year over toilet paper. Can you imagine what it would be like if something really went wrong?! Fortunately, I am not in a city, but I am not in a good rural area either. The best place to be really depends on what goes wrong. I want the Bronco to get me to where I need to be in case anything happens and I can't take main roads, etc. You are right though, people should put some thought into it.

 

[tracythemighty]

if the *it really hits the fan, there won't be no gas to fill up your vehicle anyways, I always have to laugh at stuff like The Walking Dead, years in they're still driving, LOL.
Just a simple power outage will mean no gas unless you syphon it out of the underground tanks.
Weeks or months into some crisis? Car might make a nice shelter or storage closet, that's it.

But I do have to add that the 4x4 capabilities are something I want in case we get a crazy fire in my town like they had in Paradise or Santa Rosa. We'd be trapped if a fire starts down or street unless we have a vehicle that can go off road and around all the non-offroad vehicles that got to the open space before me and got stuck. A fast moving fire is really the only thing I'm concerned about, not earthquakes, not marauding masses of zombies or ninjas trying to steal my crap. But I'd rather not roast in my own yard.

I agree with the poster just a couple posts up, this 'bug out' fantasy that lots of paranoid 'preppers' have is rather amusing. Best bet is to stay put, where you know your way around and know what's what and where it is.

I don't think people are thinking the Bronco will be there for the long haul, more like for a short spurt to get to where they need to be....

 

[tracythemighty]

In every major societal upheaval over the past century (the world wars, Russian Revolution, Maoist Revolution, etc.), the key to survival was to lay low and not have anything worth stealing.

Your best bet in occupied France (for instance) wasn't to roll around in a Citroën TUB full of ammo and all your prepper gear. It was to quietly go to work and bake bread or whatever until the Russians showed up in Berlin.

I think all these prepper-types need to spend less time watching Hollywood movies, and more time reading history books. Nothing wrong with trying to be more self-sufficient (just ask any Texan from the recent crisis), but think of how many of those Texans wished they could have traded some of their ammo hoard for a propane space heater. Those hybrid F-150s sure were nice to have, though!

I think your chances of survival go up if you are not in a populated area. Of course, if there is a natural disaster, and it happens at the spot you decided to live off grid, then you might be doomed regardless.

I don't think the next war, if there is one, will be like those in the past. I don't think you can pretend to get along and blend in next time. There is too much technology. Most people probably just think it will take longer for the govt to round up people if they live further out. They might be right, who knows? I just want to be able to get to what little family I have left, if anything happens. I think the Bronco would allow me to go off road in the event that I need to do that. Plus, it looks cool. hahahahaha

 

[MadMan4BamaNATL]

if the *it really hits the fan, there won't be no gas to fill up your vehicle anyways, I always have to laugh at stuff like The Walking Dead, years in they're still driving, LOL.
Just a simple power outage will mean no gas unless you syphon it out of the underground tanks.
Weeks or months into some crisis? Car might make a nice shelter or storage closet, that's it.

But I do have to add that the 4x4 capabilities are something I want in case we get a crazy fire in my town like they had in Paradise or Santa Rosa. We'd be trapped if a fire starts down or street unless we have a vehicle that can go off road and around all the non-offroad vehicles that got to the open space before me and got stuck. A fast moving fire is really the only thing I'm concerned about, not earthquakes, not marauding masses of zombies or ninjas trying to steal my crap. But I'd rather not roast in my own yard.

I agree with the poster just a couple posts up, this 'bug out' fantasy that lots of paranoid 'preppers' have is rather amusing. Best bet is to stay put, where you know your way around and know what's what and where it is.

Agree with you on the gas equation. Gasoline has a short shelf life, then it begins to break down. This is why you may put Sta-Bil in the tank of your lawn mower, or at least your lawn guy may at end of season.

You make a good point about wild fires. I don't live out West, but you're right. Having tires that can take some punishment is important also when fleeing fires, as well as having and knowing how to use a tire plug kit.

I know Prepping and trying to look/be tactical or "gray man" is trendy at the moment due to last year, but outside of the crazy toilet paper thing, and "just in time" supply chains, a big event will make what we know as rural areas become cities very quickly. Then the cities become abandoned. Cities have much more infrastructure and more resources. In Atlanta alone I can raid CVSs for months and still not run out in a SHTF scenario.

What most men need to plan for is themselves going down. If/when that happens, what will your family do to survive? While playing with guns in the woods, better take the wife with you and your kids. Yes, including or especially your daughter. When survival is on the line, I'll trust a female's instinct, resolve, temperament, and pain tolerance any day over a male.

Once you're shot and are either injured or dead, they'll have to figure things out.

And by the way, our shiny, lifted, modded, and stocked up Broncos with all of that nice gear hanging off of them will likely be the first to be targeted along with the Wranglers and 4 Runners by the guys in the Civics and Chargers with gun experience in live fire urban settings; so plan your way through that. Won't go as you'd likely think due to underestimating them.

People with a history of struggle and survival tend to fair better than the upper crust in these situations also; remember that.

This entire thread is a rabbit whole of paranoia and although there are some helpful things being said, much of this type of talk is unhealthy and can lead to you seeing things that just aren't there.

Sort of like last year was in no way a bug out situation at all; not one moment of 2020, it was just different. I know this scared many people, but that was nothing.

Wildfires on the contrary were a true bug out scenario, but that's now an annual occurrence for my friends on the West Coast and that fact troubles me to know end. I pray for y'all and that we find a way to help limit the damage of those fires.

 

[1IH]

I prefer a bug-out vehicle without electronics.

100% a built landcruiser is the best vehicle for his, but finding one cheaper than a new bronco with less than 100k miles is no joy. I refer to a government gone-wild type of situation here. Not a natural disaster btw.

 

[Bronco Finder]

Kitsap peninsula... so only bad part is 2 bridges incase we do need to leave or drive all the way around through Mason county...

Got it , grew up in port orchard.

 

[ZackDanger]

Speaking of, is there a good place in a 4 door to fit a decent rifle case? The hump between the back and back seats means you can't slide one in that way. Is there space under the back seats to fit one in sideways?

Not sure how much room is there... and if I’ve learned anything from storing things there in my Jeep I always forget it’s there when I go to fold my seats down, so make sure it’s in a hard or can stand to be smooshed.

 

[Bison]

If we're being real here, my buggout vehicle is my 87 pickup that can probably run forever on used motor oil. Cant beat that, but I may have my wife follow me in the Bronco for the hour drive to the family farm. If we really get an apocalypse I cant think of a reason on earth I would ditch some of the most naturally fertile farmland in the country for the relatively barren mountains.

But I have the high ground Anakin!!

 

[JesseS]

I already left all you mainlanders behind 6 years ago The urban sprawl was looking like a bad time coming. Guess I was right. Lucky to live on this side of the island. Everybody here knows that there is a bridge about 2 miles from us that once they blow it or block it. Nobody is getting in or out of this side without serious climbing skills. We got water, fish, boar, and plenty of crops and building material over here. We also grow alot of sugarcane so I bet I can work out some ethanol for my Bronco.

Didn't the road wash out again? That hillside is always coming down

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