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My 80 year old folks own a Honda pilot. Seems to fit that demographic. That is the only one the greater family has ever owned. One of my friends had an S2000, that was awesome. Think there is a parable about the sun and dog's ass that synchs up here.

Agree - leave it to ze Germans. Neat, organized. Loved that 2.7 turbo.

My information is a few years out of date (and not retail) and I appreciate the updates. My point was more just spend the $ and let leave it to the pros. Time > $

Owned a Wrangler for 6 years (pre FCA), loved it, never had problems with it. Owned a Grand Cherokee for 3 years until about year ago. Loved it visually (materials, 5.7L V8 feel, etc.) but it turned out to be a mechanical and electrical system nightmare. The 4th time we had to have it...

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Nope. hard stop.

Few Months? A good paint shop and about say $3,500 probably safely gets you there. Look at how much time I saved you. You could probably get it for a lot less, but as you pointed out that would take time and effort and tools......:p

I think you have that turned around. this is an expense 1) The price of the vehicle is valued in CY 2021 $. You are taking that price(lets assume you have 45k over 5 years ($750/mo). The payments are constant. They don't go up as inflation depresses the value of the dollar. Which...

Financing over the longest term possible is always the most financially responsible thing to do provided your interest rate is 0.00%

Rainbows and Unicorns. So far its a completely even trade of mythical creatures....

None. It always surprises me that the car industry expects you to spend 50k+ on something that does not have everything you want. If you wanted it, you would not compromise. If you do compromise you really didn't want it.

Bingo..... so the most likely option is that there will be a 2.3l option that will allow you to get the roof rack with.... seems likely since they are talking about a manual squatch as well....same solution.

Nope, not the first.

The good news in all this is that by next summer there should be plenty of empirical data on the Wrangler 392 for those who would have wondered about the road not taken. Just saying.

with 20.8 gallons in the 4 door, below 14.5 avg would be hard to stomach. Below 300 miles in overall range is pretty feeble. But, that is probably where it will end up. I didn't mind that kind of economy in my 5.7L powered grand Cherokee because it had almost 25 gallon tank.

Everyone has a plan until Ford punches you in the face

7-14. Based on email from ford today, sometime summer 2022.

The best part: "Dear Bronco Owner".... Alanis would say that is ironic.

No point at looking at rates now. They will be totally different when you have something to finance.....

I encourage all MY 2021 order holders that are in front of me to hold their 2021 reservations and make the changes necessary so that when MY 2022 comes around I am first in line.:) The best part about waiting until 2022 is that interest rates will be like 20% so we have that going for us.......