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I'm really curious as to how much it's going to cost to overnight an engine to the dealership. If MSRP jumps for '22 we know who the culprit was. 😜

I haven't been in to check it out yet but it looks like Damerow in Beaverton, OR has a 4D, 2.7L, Lux Badlands for $61K.

With some us having reservations pushed to MY '23, I don't think Ford has any real incentive to make any major updates to '22. Aside from cosmetic updates, I think it'll be status quo. Look at a similar-priced vehicle with the Kia Telluride. Granted it's not an off-road vehicle but it's now...

Given the Webasto debacle, surely Ford implemented a ton of performance guarantees to ensure the new vendor comes through. It must be a lucrative deal for the vendor if they pull it off but catastrophic for them if they don't. Not knowing anything about automotive development, I wonder why...

I'm skeptical about this. If it's true, wonder why they would let someone take a car overnight that's barely in existence on the road today and has a waiting list stretching to the '23 MY.

Just checking in to see if anyone has heard anything about Portland-area dealers that may have mannequins available for test drives. I have heard nothing from Damerow in Beaverton. Thanks in advance for any replies!

You gotta love the timing of this too. Most people don't really follow the news Friday afternoon through Saturday. I know Webasto is ultimately at fault but Ford picked them as a vendor and should've had direct oversight in terms of their progress. I was willing to accept COVID as an excuse...

If Ford can't figure out hard tops how the hell are they going to roll out the Lightning on-time? By 2023 I hope there's at least an option for a hybrid or plug-in hybrid engine option. And by 2023 I meant 2032.

Couldn't agree more. I'm holding my reservation b/c it costs me nothing but I've been looking at Wranglers online for the past hour.

If they have it on their lot for the public to see then it's fair game as far I'm concerned for you to share details. Seems like it'd be free PR for them. Jealous you got to drive it!

I haven't received any response from them. They've been hit or miss for me in terms of communication. I wonder how many orders they have and if they're getting bombarded with questions. Wish they had some sort of Bronco message board or email list for customers of theirs that have orders...

Exactly. I utilize two credit cards to buy almost everything and pay my monthly rent. Might as well get money back. **As long as you pay them in-full each month it's a great strategy to increase your credit score and get "Free" money.

I have an email out to my contact at Damerow Ford in Beaverton, OR. Last I heard, he was planning on getting two demo units. I just reached out to see if he has an expected date for receiving at least one of those. I'll update you all if I hear back.

i don't think there's anything wrong with someone trying to educate themselves. Especially when these concepts aren't taught in most high-school or non-finance major college courses. If there's one thing our education system fails at is financial competency. My parents were terrible at money...

That's exactly right. This is strictly for folks that have the cash in the bank and could purchase the vehicle outright. Definitely a gamble so just something to consider. I plan on putting down 50% cash and throwing the rest in a fund to see how my money does and if my monthly interest...

100% agree. If I were single and didn't have a 90lb dog that loved sticking his head out of the window I would be all in on 2DR.

I agree. Financial competency has to play into the decision. Not everyone knows how to throw their money into an index fund or invest it through other means. Nonetheless, I like talking money/finance which is why I shared the video. When I was in my 20's I wish I had been smarter with my money.

I know this is always a "fun" topic on this message board but I came upon this video from Doug DeMuro that he posted two days ago and thought it holds a lot of water. In case you don't follow Doug, his focus is on car reviews where he evaluates new cars as well as older, unique cars. I've...

My dealer up here in Portland confirmed the mannequin they're getting (last month he said they'd get in June) would be for people to come in and test drive. Seems strange why a dealer would have one but not allow people to drive it. At least let the folks who have orders/reservations come in...

Out of curiosity, what trim did you get and did you pay MSRP? My wife is wanting a Telluride but all of the dealerships up here in the Northwest are listing the SX for $61/$62k. I've even seen some dealers list used 2020's with ~20k miles for $58k. While we can afford it there's no way I'm...