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Long ago (~15 years ago) full-size SUV prices were basically in line with full-size truck prices. Suburban, Excursion were both very tough trucks Excursion available with the 7.3/6.0/V10 the Suburban with the 6.0/8.1/6.5TD/7.4L they functioned as trucks with a covered area and the ability to...

Tahoe and expedition are both IRS now and that makes them a no go for off-roading. The Durango is unibody and IRS basically a minivan with correct wheel drive. Who cares about any off-road package when they can’t even get the basics right?

I have seen videos of it, I’ve sat in one, rode in one, I’ve looked under it and looked at options and builds. I’ve tried my damndest to figure out what the hell the few people on this forum like about it and I have nothing. It awful as an off-roader unless you’ve scouted the perfect trail. I’m...

at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what you or I want. Ford isn’t going to market a diesel when the cost difference doesn’t make sense. The Bronco has a low tow rating so that defense doesn’t work.

I don’t hate diesels but the math doesn’t work out. I just mathematically proved to you why your not saving any money. Better fuel economy doesn’t mean diddly squat when the savings results in $100 difference over 15k miles. Modern V8s are anything but gas guzzling they’ve improved leaps and...

I would think they meant actual competition for the Bronco, not an X5 competitor.

Can afford defender and not loyal Ford customer, or Jeep fwiw. The defender is a horrid abomination, unibody construction is NOT meant for off-road. Land Rover cheaped out because it knew its customer base was more likely to visit Starbucks than ever see a gravel road.

At very least if you want to say something good about the Bronco II is that they at least used a body on frame construction and solid rear axle. At least it had the image of rough and tough, Ford didn’t even bother with the sport.

Agree on all counts, desperately need a N/A engine. Also a full-size Bronco would be perfect, there is zero entrants in the full-size SUV category that once contained the majority of off-road vehicles.

I have to say the sport looks even worse in person than the already abysmal pictures and specs led me to believe. It’s a like a lifted scion XB. Tiny boxy unibody with dainty control arms sticking out of the under carriage hooked to the smallest tires I’ve seen this side of a Prius. Then you...

I guess I’m the odd man out but this is exactly what I expected, the new Bronco is decidedly midsize next to the older full-size Bronco. I have a hard time in my mind adding the width of the flares and tires to the size calculation. Furthermore the interior of the old Bronco is decidedly more...

This, we used to have good diesels. Find a 90s GM diesel full-size SUV and Your getting 25-30MPG (specifically on the 6.2L) vs the gas getting 14MPG. No emissions or urea, and back then diesel fuel cost less than gas. Diesel can’t do those things any longer, it’s a dead end unless we start...

There was a thread for this last week. I did the math for the Wrangler diesel vs V6 MPG When diesel is $1.00 more than gas - which historically, for about a 10-15 year period it was - then the diesel costs more to run than the V6. At $0.50 more per gallon than gas as it is locally today the...

A big part of it is the demographic that buys the vehicles. It’s why Corvettes are cheap to insure but 2dr Honda Civics are expensive.

The Bronco starts at $28k with 4x4. iirc the 4Runner starts at $38k when you option for 4x4 No one has to spend $50k to get a very capable Bronco. Realistically base+squatch has everything you could need. Relatively speaking the Bronco is a steal if your not afraid of a turbo.

It’s really not that expensive, I mean I was looking at a 5.0 4x4 extended cab - otherwise base no option XL F150 and the price is an insane $40k. Crazy times we live in. Also to the thread, 6 months of insurance on an H2 (factory 35s) is $320 for full coverage.

I really hope we aren’t going back to the 1980s back to vacuum operated actuators. 🤣 Typically FAD have an electronic actuator in the diff.

I’m not trolling anyone, you’re the one that highlighted breaking federal laws and then mentioning Jeep? I’m showing why it is mathematically pointless for manufacturers, and consumers, to justify the costs of a modern diesel over the gas option.

Now if we say Diesel is $3.00 a gallon my previous comment works @$3.00 a gallon the cost per 15K miles is $1,607 on a vehicle getting 28MPG. So.... So in essence you save $100 a year, which means it will take 45 years to recoup your costs. 45 years at 15,000 miles a year would be 675,000...

I’m not sure why you highlighted the part about removing emissions equipment. The diesel is a $4,500 option on the jeep. At $2.50/gallon for regular, driving 15,000 miles a year @ 22MPG(HWY) it will cost $1,704 in fuel costs For $3.50/gallon for diesel driving 15,000 miles a year at...