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Interesting, I guess I wrongly assumed the armor came with the squatch this whole time. That's a big negative for sure if you are in the rocks at all. I wonder how thick the factory stuff is.

Its marketing. You will be absolutely fine without. You get the clearance, tires, lockers gearing and the armor with squatch so you are golden. if anything the sway bar disco may prevent you from going some places that a squatch badlands with disco could go. But that remains to be seen. A sway...

Some of these counter arguments are ridiculous. There are a bunch of off-road vehicles with nicer interiors in the broncos price point. Raptor, Power Wagon, TRX, Wrangler, etc. The notion that a nicer interior is not possible because you can take the roof off is laughably false. It's even...

I'm not disappointed in 17mpg. In fact thats pretty good on the surface. However, I'm disappointed in 17 mpg with an eco-boost engine that is notorious for under-delivering in real world mpg and that will be spoiled up all the time which is not great for longevity. Combined that with a vehicle...

This is pretty much where we are. I'm not selling my truck. As there is no way a bronco can replace it. I was hoping the bronco would be perfect for my wife who wants an SUV and we could use for the road trips when we don't need as much gear and have a smaller top off off-roader for fun and to...

Jeep will adjust with lower prices, improved tech including 12 inch screen and some kind of squatch like package with 35" tires an probably more rebates. I'm curious if trail turn assist and one pedal driving are patented. Those are pretty cool modern off-road features. I bet Jeep adds them in...

Jeep is definitely making some exciting products. Knock them all you want but the power wagon, TRX, gladiator, V8 and 4XE wrangler and hell even the land yacht grand wagoneer is at least offering new and unique products. Not to mention their improved powertrains and interiors, despite past...

This is all true. But don't underestimate the confidence a true off-roader gives you to try a new trail, get further in the back country, go solo, etc. In your analogy the camry may have made it there once but it likely won't do it repeatedly without some real wear and tear and heaven forbid...

Lots of benefits to waiting, many external to Ford. Lots of benefits to 2021 too but that's the not the topic: 1. Getting to drive a bronco in person 2. Ford working out first year kinks 3. May get a whiff of Model Year 23 before committing (Warthog, Hybrid possibly) 4. Seeing competitors...

If you truly intend to off-road with it then it's a no brainer. Wave off a year or two, save up the extra $ and get the base-squatch. The independent front suspension will not be easy or cheap to beef up aftermarket. Sure there will be plenty of products but it won't be as cheap as a Jeep. I...

I just don't understand how they thought engineering a 1 inch recline added value but a few extra bolts to make it removeable wasn't a priority. Unless you have kids, it's a near useless seat and takes up so much valuable cargo space.

I borrowed my buddies FJ quite a bit. I made a post on here after seeing the bronco at one of the dealership events and said the FJ was the vehicle that the bronco most reminded me of. It is probably 20-25% smaller in interior space, especially cargo space. The exterior stance is very similar...

That's because of the huge markup on "wranglers". You can get a non diesel HD truck for about an F150 price or you can get a loaded wrangler/bronco for about the same money. That's really the top end of the market if you want to sell a bunch of vehicles. Ford could easily make a full size in...

Yep, just like the F150, raptor and 4 runner! Who wants a full size off-roader. Off course I'm joking. That's like saying the bronco II flopped so there is no way the new bronco will make it. You are crazy if you think a full size bronco with the big V8 Godzilla, front and rear lockers, sway...

Too bad it's so small the other kid had to stay home in order to fit the fishing poles! :ROFLMAO:

There already is a Ford explorer with an appearance package, nobody wants that. Make a modern 5g bronco, with tech improvements, add front and rear lockers, sway bar disco, naturally aspirated engine. That's what many wanted and expected, which is why many complain about size and towing. And...

You do realize there is another mid size SUV off-roader that can take the top off on right? So by even buying a bronco over a jeep you are admitting it's ok for folks to want changes and improvements that best fit their needs over what's currently available? Yet, you think it's ridiculous when...

Last season I was hunting alone in the middle of nowhere. I had just gotten back to the truck after the morning hunt and it was warm so I started the truck to run the AC and left the fob in the console, as I loaded up the bed and got my gear put up outside the cab. My key fob had been having...

I think they are useful and a nice addition but not going to be earth shattering. The biggest thing they do is give a novice some confidence and an easy reference based on terrain of what lockers to use. I don't believe that mud and ruts mode would get you any further in the mud than regular...

Do you know this for a fact? Because I honestly would buy a midsize for fun if it meant I could buy a full size for the rest of my uses!