There may be some in the used market for people who don't understand what they're buying. But I believe most who are even looking at this will know what they're getting into. For those that just want an off-road capable/on-road Bronco, I'm sure they'll most likely go for the Bronco Sport...
Lol, +1 for Jeep I guess. Ya, I know can't compare Humvee to road cars, but it's like the King of IFS. Strength wise, yes, solid axle is stronger but the Jeep guys do report their U-joints snapping just as any CV joint would snap. Now the Rubicon this year will also have CV joints if you opt...
Well, we've all only seen the promos, no real world testing or comparisons, so we're all drawing these conclusions on what we know about the Bronco and the "facts" we know about the Wrangler. To declare any one of them the off-road winner would be pre-mature. I'm sure the Jeep will win in come...
Ya I know. The actually people aren't bad, but the forums...jesh, once you disagree, there's a thousand more that pile on. I have a few Jeep friends, they're good, down to earth people lol
I wouldn't say "plenty" of low-end torque...it may have adequate torque. I have never driven a 4Runner, so I don't have first hand experience, just lookin at the specs. I just don't like the big, bloated look of the new 4Runner's (personal preference). Now the ones from the late 80s-through...
So you agree...that an offroad vehicle MUST drive like shit to be good offroad? You don't feel there's any way to tune suspension to make a reasonable compromise for both? I think the Bronco will be far superior to the Jeep on-road and will be quite the beast offroad, so I'm not understanding...
This is no doubt because they say it's easier to drive offroad with a peak HP being higher in the rev range? Well, I guess cause it has no low end torque. Same thing the Jeep guys say about the Pentastar. Oh it likes to rev, but it's designed that way cause that's how you want it...
WOw, exactly this. Very well put. Jeep is a cult. I'll say it cause it's friggin true. Don't disagree or ask for improvements, cause if you do you'll get kicked out of the cult and banned from every future event. Even though they KNOW it needs improving it MUST STAY that way because if it...
really? Shit me. I had no idea. I mean I know the steering is kinda dead and uninspiring and lifeless but I didn’t know that there’s inconsistencies in this. Each had different levels of suck? Lol, sorry my grammar skills are lacking today.
also what puzzles me in those forums is they talk...
yes, I definitely agree with this. I dunno if it’s as high of an excitement level as when I was spec’ing out my GT350R but I am excited and it’s becUse they did such a great job and it’s a fresh new, CAPABLE design!
So are we saying that there are approx 200,000 reservations? Jeep sells 225,000 Jeeps a year just fyi.
Granted these aren't sales yet. Time will tell.
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It's actually shocking how many of them just "accept" all these issues...and they've somehow convinced themselves that if Jeep were to fix the issues (or reliability) it would somehow affect the off-road capabilities, therefore they're fine with the compromise...lol, wtf.
Crazies...
Imagine a Jeep Wrangler with a 6.4L lol lol lol...anyway, please don't respond, I don't wanna get on that topic haha. I feel my negativity has increased due to my arguing over in the jlwrangler forums. haha
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lol, surprising the old ones steer better but you’re not the first to say that! I don’t know if it’s that they don’t know any better or they’ve accepted it because they believe their Jeep is the best off-road Vehicle in the world and nothing could possibly ever compete lol, it’s just so naive...
Lol, oh my. I’m over on the jlwranglerforums as well (because I actually have a rubi on order) ...all they say is the steering MUST BE SHIT TO MAKE IT A GOOD OFF-ROAD VEHICLE!! It’s A JEEP THING DAMMIT. Lol, shit, the more I read about their “acceptance of all the deficiencies of the Wrangler...
Hey, just wondering if Ford has released “actual” reservation numbers?
these numbers are simply based on ones which individuals have entered into this website
All very awesome. Did anyone find the amazing saddle brown/black interior of the cyber orange 2 door which was in all the press videos????
that’s what I want!!!
OKay...politics aside. I'm Canadian, hate that Trudeau fake bastard, and I don't go to the US very often, but I see Trump winning again anyway. No way some old, Biden is gonna win....but seriously, lets not get into that shit.
On to more ON TOPIC matters
You either trust Ford on a first year...
I see....so you're saying not to buy because you're so sure there will be 5K rebates and 8% under invoice price TWO MONTHS after it hits the showroom floor?
By the way, in case you didn't do the math, you'd get a 60K bronco for $43000 (8% is 12K, plus your 5K in rebates) ...
Or did I miss...