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Meh, some of that was self-inflicted on Ford's part by doing a "one-off" interior. But I don't want to get into the weeds. Yeah, there's some legit unfounded complaints. But you address them when they come up in their respective threads. It doesn't necessitate a new thread in the general forum...

They may have a face that only a mother could love, but Hyundai/Kia has already proven that they need to be taken seriously now. With BOF SUVS climbing in price ($80k for a Land Cruiser!), the value that the two can bring to the table may be appealing to alot of people. I think the fact that...

We have to remember there's all kinds of customers here...some on tight budgets trying to make their dream vehicle work, others with disposable income, other cross shopping Jeep and Toyota...it's going to be a diverse place for a while.

This. Everyone has a breaking point with their money. We're all in the same boat...stuck twiddling our thumbs till 2021. So let those who are weighing their decision have space to vent. Some reasonable discussion can be had and maybe people can be convinced to reconsider. It's just going to be...

Unless you're a dealership like Granger, I highly doubt it. Most are content to print money with the F150. Sometimes they forget Ford even makes another product beside the F150. Go check out all the comedy of the Mach-E release on their forum. Most salespeople are so bad, you'd think they had...

Another point in favor of the importance of the B&P tool.

Oh, I get it now! It's their plugin hybrid!

My brother had a 300z with the twin turbo. Man, that thing could fly. I remember getting on it after a turn and it felt so confident but also like it was about to lift off like a plane. He also had a 240...another really fun car. He had to sell it after a long battle with a mechanic who...

Right...who wants to hear a wooden auto exec try to read a script? Just hire a professional actor and do a cinematic commercial.

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Come back October 1st.

What octane rating should I run?

I was part of the 150 page thread...it was magical.

Ford is issuing VINS for the 2021 F150 and their B&P isn't even complete yet. These rock stars are starting to look like a cover band.

Haha Well, two reds and an orange...so that's better than nothing. But yes, also dumb to lock them out of certain trims.

I just think he's being a good admin and doing anything to keep us from talking about B&P. :ROFLMAO: The fact that the II...I mean Sport...gets Kodiak Brown and not the Bronco is baffling. The lack of earth tones on their premier outdoor vehicle is really odd. The F150 is loaded with colors...

GM is dumping all their money into the upcoming Hummer as its halo off roader. The Blazer was just a cool name to cash in on the crossover craze. Maybe they'll follow Toyota and at least make an "adventure" trim for the Blazer. I would say they need to move the Trailblazer to compete with the...

People with a FE Reservation:

Since Ford doesn't give us a proper green, I'd settle for this: