Hey guys, I've opened an official group to kick off the formal investigation into diesel swapping our Broncos.
I think most of us can figure out the mechanical aspects of fitment and fabrication. The real key to this problem is the CAN communications. Getting support from folks with experience in modern automotive SW/calibration will be crucial for pulling this off. If you know em, invite em!
If you want to catch up on some of what has already been discussed check out this thread: Diesel engine swap options? | Bronco6G - 2021+ Ford Bronco & Bronco Raptor Forum, News, Blog & Owners Community
If you are new to the group, or just checking it out, and wondering why on earth someone would swap in a diesel over a gas v8, I have summarized a few key advantages below. Also, note that there are diesel v8's and some of them aren't the giant domestic 6+ liter variety either, but options are admittedly limited.
1: Efficiency. Efficiency is more power for less. Its not just about fuel economy, and saving a bit a the pump. Often that’s a wash with the fuel cost anyway. Its more about range, being able to squeeze more out of your tank because your engine is squeezing more out of every injection. Who wants to pay money to throw heat out the exhaust for nothing…
2: Performance. Gas engines certainly have the reputation of performance, but consider EV's. EV's deliver power immediately and have created a name for themselves in the performance world doing just that. On the line between EV and gas, in terms of power delivery, diesel sits somewhere in between. A diesel engine making the same power as a gas engine will often do so at half the RPM. That’s delivery you can feel. Often though, gas engines make more power regardless, consider the 2.3 ecoboost. It makes a peak of 275 hp, but that’s at 5500 rpm, how often have you had your 2.3 at 5500 rpm? At 3000 rpm that peak power drops to 150, and at 2500 rpm that peak power drops to 75. The 3.0 powerstroke is pretty unremarkable, down on peak power (only 250) yet it makes over 200 at 2500 rpm. How often are you at 2500 rpm? Every shift. If you are in a race car, sure you live at 5000 rpm. But if you want to feel power with sane everyday driving, diesel is where it's at.
3: Capability. This is a bit of a sum of the first two. Better power delivery at low RPM, means the ability to crawl slower and steadier without stalling. Efficiency means you can drastically increase your parasitic load, whether that’s big tires, lifts, cargo, or towing, with much less penalty to your range or wallet than with a gas motor. Also the power delivery will be more than adequate to romp around in the dunes at high speed.
4: Reliability. Its no secret that modern diesels don’t have the reputation of those of yesteryear. But most of those issues are tied to the emissions equipment (EGR/DPF etc.). Considering it will be next to impossible to get emissions systems to work in harmony with the Bronco, it should be assumed that any swap will be "deleted". On that assumption the odds of making it to 500k miles is considerably better than a modern boosted gas motor.
I think most of us can figure out the mechanical aspects of fitment and fabrication. The real key to this problem is the CAN communications. Getting support from folks with experience in modern automotive SW/calibration will be crucial for pulling this off. If you know em, invite em!
If you want to catch up on some of what has already been discussed check out this thread: Diesel engine swap options? | Bronco6G - 2021+ Ford Bronco & Bronco Raptor Forum, News, Blog & Owners Community
If you are new to the group, or just checking it out, and wondering why on earth someone would swap in a diesel over a gas v8, I have summarized a few key advantages below. Also, note that there are diesel v8's and some of them aren't the giant domestic 6+ liter variety either, but options are admittedly limited.
1: Efficiency. Efficiency is more power for less. Its not just about fuel economy, and saving a bit a the pump. Often that’s a wash with the fuel cost anyway. Its more about range, being able to squeeze more out of your tank because your engine is squeezing more out of every injection. Who wants to pay money to throw heat out the exhaust for nothing…
2: Performance. Gas engines certainly have the reputation of performance, but consider EV's. EV's deliver power immediately and have created a name for themselves in the performance world doing just that. On the line between EV and gas, in terms of power delivery, diesel sits somewhere in between. A diesel engine making the same power as a gas engine will often do so at half the RPM. That’s delivery you can feel. Often though, gas engines make more power regardless, consider the 2.3 ecoboost. It makes a peak of 275 hp, but that’s at 5500 rpm, how often have you had your 2.3 at 5500 rpm? At 3000 rpm that peak power drops to 150, and at 2500 rpm that peak power drops to 75. The 3.0 powerstroke is pretty unremarkable, down on peak power (only 250) yet it makes over 200 at 2500 rpm. How often are you at 2500 rpm? Every shift. If you are in a race car, sure you live at 5000 rpm. But if you want to feel power with sane everyday driving, diesel is where it's at.
3: Capability. This is a bit of a sum of the first two. Better power delivery at low RPM, means the ability to crawl slower and steadier without stalling. Efficiency means you can drastically increase your parasitic load, whether that’s big tires, lifts, cargo, or towing, with much less penalty to your range or wallet than with a gas motor. Also the power delivery will be more than adequate to romp around in the dunes at high speed.
4: Reliability. Its no secret that modern diesels don’t have the reputation of those of yesteryear. But most of those issues are tied to the emissions equipment (EGR/DPF etc.). Considering it will be next to impossible to get emissions systems to work in harmony with the Bronco, it should be assumed that any swap will be "deleted". On that assumption the odds of making it to 500k miles is considerably better than a modern boosted gas motor.
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