Bad news about MIC 2.0 quality after a few days

[Boxer4]

Just picked up my Black Diamond Saturday. Noticed "scales" (is that what we're calling it??) on the top of my MIC roof when I removed it. Wasn't this the other appearance problem that led to the recall?

Total guess here- These formed tops remind me of the type of Kevlar, Nomex and fiberglass honeycomb panels used in the manufacture of aircraft. The panels are formed by vacuum or hot press. Kevlar and Nomex are used to limit fire /smoke spread.
The panels I have seen have the finished coatings applied prior to the forming process.
These edges really need to have a UV resistant strip.
A few references :
Understanding Honeycomb Panel and Honeycomb Composite Structures - YouTube
aeroFIBER™ Honeycomb Panels (collinsaerospace.com)

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[StevieD23]

Same manufacturer for both, but engineering designs from Jeep and Ford are proprietary. Webasto just makes them to provided specifications. Ford engineers may need to bring new talent onto their team as the current design is not cutting it. There are plenty of 1970s Broncos, Scouts, and Jeeps with original hard tops still in serviceable condition, it's not that hard.

That was actually going to be my question. Through thousands of posts about these tops, whose fault is it at the end of the day? Is Ford forcing Webasto to make these tops using cheap materials resulting in these issues? It's just hard to believe that they've been in business for a century with a decent reputation and they all of a sudden suck at making tops?

 

[Bronco216g]

I think you may have hit the nail on the head Zachary. It falls in the category "You get what you pay for".

Also no bracing in the middle, Jeep tops have 8 total bolts 3 each side on the rear and one each side mounted to the bracing (that Ford removed)

 

[PDiddy]

My soft top is already broken so I think you are damned either way you go. I have not been impressed with this soft top design at all. Plastic tabs that hold the sections of together break really easily, the metal cables rub against everything, I can just see these not last very long with a lot use.

 

[Bronco216g]

This is from Bronco Super Celebration in CO this summer at the Ford booth.

Why Ford shouldn’t have removed the bracing structurally it’s there for a reason.

 

[Boxer4]

Why Ford shouldn’t have removed the bracing structurally it’s there for a reason.

It's no problem. When the front panels interlock, it's tight. At high speed the back shell is solid by itself.

 

[BigHoof]

This is what has been seen on tops posted by others. This shows a top produced in May and then primed in September. Fords communication stated that everyone on DM was waiting for and would receive a NEW top prior to shipment, not a different top with a new primer coat.

Actually, the top sticker says 9/5/2021 and then had primer applied on 9/16/2021. Webasto uses a different date coding than the lower primer sticker from Ford. For proof, go to post 740. There is no 19th month.

 

[lrtexasman]

Unfortunately, we are all learning more about the tops design, materials, construction, and manufacturing process than should be necessary. I think Ford and Webasto is close and should eventually get it right with enough time and updates.

 

[Deleted member 19285]

I’m starting to believe that having to wait 3 year to get my Bronco is quite fortunate. Perhaps by then, they will work out the bugs. But, most likely not. I guess we are all enablers: standing in line to give them our money no matter what they produce. There really isn’t any incentive for them to get their act together…..

At this point I’m seriously considering 99’ing my order to ensure I get a 2023.

 

[BuckyBronco]

Owning them, which involves writing that check every month. I don’t mind paying for items that are quality, not so much for items that aren’t.

1) All of like 2% of what you're paying is for the roof?
2) The roof works (at least mine does) perfectly. So what if some of the edges look a bit rough? The vehicle is rugged, it's supposed to be rugged, you're buying it because it's rugged and looks rugged.

 

[Tonka Bronka]

1) All of like 2% of what you're paying is for the roof?
2) The roof works (at least mine does) perfectly. So what if some of the edges look a bit rough? The vehicle is rugged, it's supposed to be rugged, you're buying it because it's rugged and looks rugged.

That’s awesome.

 

[Deleted member 19285]

1) All of like 2% of what you're paying is for the roof?
2) The roof works (at least mine does) perfectly. So what if some of the edges look a bit rough? The vehicle is rugged, it's supposed to be rugged, you're buying it because it's rugged and looks rugged.

Not everyone can be convinced that crappy = rugged.

 

[BuckyBronco]

Not everyone can be convinced that crappy = rugged.

Not everyone can be convinced that a rough edge = crappy.

 

[billybong420]

Petition to add the Ssssshhh emoji to B6G

seriously GIGI!!!!!! my truck has been hostage since 7/12. I dont want to date myself but if we got reagan involved all hostages would be released at inauguration ( google "jimmy carter, iran hostages"

 

[DarienJim]

Each day that goes by I love my soft top more and more. I'm a "convertible guy" so maybe that's why but no ragrets on switching.

This...I switched my order to soft top and now I am glad I did...

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