Mike Levine saying outright he does NOT care about Granger/Chapman/SAC

[hemiblas]

For the many of us in this thread that have ordered from Granger, Stephens, Chapman, or any other small town dealer that got the shaft. We really need to stop replying to the trolls that has came here to gloat. They will never try to understand, and will just keep pushing your buttons. I'm through trying to make them understand as I know it's not going to do any good. At this point I have no idea what I'm going to do with my reservation at Granger, but I do know one thing. I will never cancel my reservation with them. I will play Ford's game, and renew my order for how ever long it takes to get that Bronco onto their lot. If I decide to move on from the Bronco I will let Zach, and Granger have that Bronco to sell. I just be damned if I'll give that slot back to Ford so it will go to a mega dealer. Piss on Ford, piss on these mega dealers, I'm sticking with the horse than brung me.

I am with you. I either get my Bronco at Granger or I get something else and as more time passes by something else is starting to look better. If we decide to move on though and buy something else, we should just cancel the reservation and let everyone else move up a slot. Granger won't get any more or any less Broncos based on our reservations.

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[Monster79]

For the many of us in this thread that have ordered from Granger, Stephens, Chapman, or any other small town dealer that got the shaft. We really need to stop replying to the trolls that has came here to gloat. They will never try to understand, and will just keep pushing your buttons. I'm through trying to make them understand as I know it's not going to do any good. At this point I have no idea what I'm going to do with my reservation at Granger, but I do know one thing. I will never cancel my reservation with them. I will play Ford's game, and renew my order for how ever long it takes to get that Bronco onto their lot. If I decide to move on from the Bronco I will let Zach, and Granger have that Bronco to sell. I just be damned if I'll give that slot back to Ford so it will go to a mega dealer. Piss on Ford, piss on these mega dealers, I'm sticking with the horse than brung me.

Learned the ignore button is a life safer a long time ago.. Come to think of it, I may be in first now for most people ignored.

Was gonna write a long response but It really isn't worth my time. I have a Granger res, yes I'm quite upset that I might not see if for a while. I will keep it and give them my business before any local dealer to me. I just hope for everyone that's defending this doesn't get screwed as well... Also I can't comprehend how people honestly think it's right for a dealer to get stock before a Day 1 res..

 

[Bronco216g]

Can some explains to me here or in a private message (which is easiest) all that is going on. I don’t follow Levine anymore and I have been following on the FORD Fiasco. I’m curious as to what is all going on with the big dealers (and ones mentioned in title) plus the small ones. I hate how Ford is handling all of this but was wanting to make sure I have the info so I’m not just saying I dislike or hate a company because everyone else is saying so.

 

[Monster79]

Can some explains to me here or in a private message (which is easiest) all that is going on. I don’t follow Levine anymore and I have been following on the FORD Fiasco. I’m curious as to what is all going on with the big dealers (and ones mentioned in title) plus the small ones. I hate how Ford is handling all of this but was wanting to make sure I have the info so I’m not just saying I dislike or hate a company because everyone else is saying so.

Well your inbox hates you now.

 

[dingle87]

Can some explains to me here or in a private message (which is easiest) all that is going on. I don’t follow Levine anymore and I have been following on the FORD Fiasco. I’m curious as to what is all going on with the big dealers (and ones mentioned in title) plus the small ones. I hate how Ford is handling all of this but was wanting to make sure I have the info so I’m not just saying I dislike or hate a company because everyone else is saying so.

TLDR... Seriously, don't dive in. Just ignore this thread and Levine. You'll live a happier life and enjoy all things Bronco related through MY22. LOL.

It'd be a really long PM... If you are with Granger/SAC/Chapman/small family owned dealer, you might want to get up to speed though.

 

[niterider006]

You sound like a jealous dealer.

I assure you, I am not. LOL. Just an economist that is curious what will happen when they are sitting on 500 cancelled orders. Stagflation is real guys. I firmly believe we are in the very beginning of a strong recession.

 

[Gamecock]

I assure you, I am not. LOL. Just an economist that is curious what will happen when they are sitting on 500 cancelled orders. Stagflation is real guys. I firmly believe we are in the very beginning of a strong recession.

Wait, you're an economist and you don't realize that a dealer doesn't get shipped orders that they cancel? Ok...very simply then: If Granger cancels orders in the next two years, they don't still show up in 2024. I'm guessing you're not a PhD?

 

[Elwood]

TLDR... Seriously, don't dive in. Just ignore this thread and Levine. You'll live a happier life and enjoy all things Bronco related through MY22. LOL.

It'd be a really long PM... If you are with Granger/SAC/Chapman/small family owned dealer, you might want to get up to speed though.

If you're ready to unplug from the Matrix:

1. Ford recently announced that reservation timestamp will have much less of an impact on delivery of Broncos for MY22, and instead will favor larger dealers much more, allocating broncos based on historical dealer sales.

This "changes the rules" that everyone had come to expect- that reservations would be fulfilled roughly in timestamp order as best as the supply chain would allow. It particularly hurts those that placed orders with small dealers, and even more so those that moved to particular small dealers across the country that attracted a large number of reservations based on upfront, forthright pricing.

2. Mike Levine this week, not only acknowledged this on Twitter, but seemed not to care about the impact to enthusiasts who placed reservations within the first 24 hours, but may not even receive their broncos until 2023.

...
Stole this post from the other Ford-sponsored forum, where there is similar disgust with the situation:

"At the end of the day, when you tell end customers that they will have their units built in reservation time stamp order to the ability that commodity constraints permit, it should not matter how many ecosports or fusions your dealer sold in the last 3 years [...] If you reserved and ordered, you are an enthusiast. Build in order regardless of the dealer. This is called keeping your commitment. Ford is paying the price on social media, and that is going to bleed over into the mainstream media. Ford is gonna take a well deserved PR hit on this..."

 

[dingle87]

I assure you, I am not. LOL. Just an economist that is curious what will happen when they are sitting on 500 cancelled orders. Stagflation is real guys. I firmly believe we are in the very beginning of a strong recession.

I actually agree with you on the "beginning of a strong recession" part of your post. I've seen price of good skyrocket in my industry along with supply chain issues. Then I see rumblings/projections of 30-40% increases on every day type necessities.... I wonder, "maybe not getting the Bronco in MY22 is a good thing for me". Sit on cash, weather the storm, come out the other side in a good position. That's another discussion for another thread. LOL

I don't think Granger will end up sitting on 500 cancelled orders though. If they're cancelled, they don't get built... no one gets them. If they are transferred, then the buyer still wants it.

 

[Heffe66413]

I assure you, I am not. LOL. Just an economist that is curious what will happen when they are sitting on 500 cancelled orders. Stagflation is real guys. I firmly believe we are in the very beginning of a strong recession.

I am not in disagreement with your assessment of the economy. I just believe because Granger requires a deposit once it is indicated a vehicle will be built - they have more control then you think on how many “ excess” vehicles they might receive.

 

[Heelabaloo]

For the many of us in this thread that have ordered from Granger, Stephens, Chapman, or any other small town dealer that got the shaft. We really need to stop replying to the trolls that has came here to gloat. They will never try to understand, and will just keep pushing your buttons. I'm through trying to make them understand as I know it's not going to do any good. At this point I have no idea what I'm going to do with my reservation at Granger, but I do know one thing. I will never cancel my reservation with them. I will play Ford's game, and renew my order for how ever long it takes to get that Bronco onto their lot. If I decide to move on from the Bronco I will let Zach, and Granger have that Bronco to sell. I just be damned if I'll give that slot back to Ford so it will go to a mega dealer. Piss on Ford, piss on these mega dealers, I'm sticking with the horse than brung me.

Exactly right. The trolls are either dealers that were drooling over the thought of charging MSRP/ADM for Broncos and tweaked that a handful of dealers were willing to be fair to buyers in return for selling more inventory or they are buyers with deep pockets that will not miss a few $1,000 bucks. I‘m not interested in paying MSRP for any vehicle, even a Bronco, and will find something else with 4 wheels and an engine if needed. My order stays with Chapman and if I need something before I can get a Bronco I’ll make a deal with Tom for a Gladiator - for something less than MSRP - and he can have my Bronco to sell and profit from. That’s what a fair and honest dealer deserves. They’ll be Broncos in the future too and I know where to shop for one if I want it.

 

[Elwood]

Wait, you're an economist and you don't realize that a dealer doesn't get shipped orders that they cancel? Ok...very simply then: If Granger cancels orders in the next two years, they don't still show up in 2024. I'm guessing you're not a PhD?

The cancelled orders won't be built or shipped, niterider. So there will be no build up of supply for these dealers or anywhere for that matter for a solid couple years until Ford can get it's manufacturing act together. By that time, Broncos will become a bit more ubiquitous, remaining reservation holders will have attitudes soured due to the long wait and poor treatment by Ford, and there may even be a new Wrangler out.

Long run, Ford had a great oppy with this objectively great product to really make a splash in the offroad market with the revived Bronco brand. It's being squandered...because of Covid...because of supply chain and manufacturing issues... and because of the unfortunate fact that Ford is hamstrung by the dealer network that is entrenched around the country to the detriment of the company and its end customers. You can pile some marketing malpractice in there too.

 

[LSBronco13]

In case anyone's been waiting for an answer:
@mrlevine Fill your Bronco reservation orders ahead of allocations. We’ve already waited 15 months. Stop punishing your customers. #reservationsoverallocations
His answer tells me they just don't care.

in case he deletes his tweet, here's what it says:

Mike Levine
Replying to @robtraut and @KogodBiz
That’s exactly the plan for more than 98% of customers that didn’t place orders with a small dealer that created a special deal to attract a large number of orders.

This country was built on competition. It allowed the consumer to shop prices and it kept inflation low. What is disturbing about Mark's Tweet is how cavalier he is in his statement about "98%". Here's a "98%" back to Levine. That is the % of small businesses that DRIVES the US economy. Ford, build the Bronco and honor your agreement to the thousands of fans that went through YOUR defined protocols and move forward with production. You will save yourself in the LONG run.
This back and forth has diminished the good faith between us, the dealers, and FORD. Now I will return to my FORD hammock and dream about what might have been.

 

[69351windsor]

I am with you. I either get my Bronco at Granger or I get something else and as more time passes by something else is starting to look better. If we decide to move on though and buy something else, we should just cancel the reservation and let everyone else move up a slot. Granger won't get any more or any less Broncos based on our reservations.

Its really looking more & more like thats what I'll end up doing, I mean five - SIX years?? SO much can & does change/happen in that time (& less) how many can really say for certain what life is going to throw at us in the next six years? its just so silly....The stink Ford has created with this & customers turned off by them will last a lifetime though. And they don't care - we know that!

 

[Bronco216g]

TLDR... Seriously, don't dive in. Just ignore this thread and Levine. You'll live a happier life and enjoy all things Bronco related through MY22. LOL.

It'd be a really long PM... If you are with Granger/SAC/Chapman/small family owned dealer, you might want to get up to speed though.

I canceled my Bronco well before the fiasco, but ironically I ordered my Jeep 392 from Chapman (PA)

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