Mike Levine saying outright he does NOT care about Granger/Chapman/SAC

[BadSquatch21]

Didn’t say I was surprised. It’s the fact folks like you accept it.

I accept it because I'm a realist and what the dealers were doing wasn't a realistic long term situation that Ford would let continually happen. Not saying I agree with how or when they changed it, but I'm not surprised.

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[Incommunicado]

I don't understand how pointing out expected reality somehow means that we somehow support that reality.

Why does everyone think you are attacking someone if you just point out that there was risk in that business model? All I'm saying is that there was risk and that any business attempting that model should of known that there was a lot of risk in it. If the dealers didn't know the risk was that high than they didn't really think it through and if they did know the risk was that high all I'm saying is that I hope that it was spelled out clearly to every customer that it was a risky endeavor to order from them.

I don't like that anyone isn't getting their Bronco's on time. The whole situation is a shitty pile of a mess. Is Ford messing up and going back on their word? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that the previous statements aren't also true.

It wasn’t a risk under the original allocation. That’s the point. If they are going to keep moving the goal posts, forget it. Every customer that went to these dealers had a deal that worked with Ford at that time. So many morons were saying the deal was fake and we were stupid going for invoice. We’ll it was true and Ford dealers got butthurt over it. Doing this stupid Monday morning qb crap saying everyone should have known better is total bs. They will change it again and again apparently. I’m not getting rapid red. Now I have to switch to a dishonest dealer who has no reason to make any deal. Orders are in. I’ve done nothing but wait and now Levine gives us this shit and you cozy up to it? I hope you get your Bronco before Ford changes something that will impact your deal.

 

[hemiblas]

It was in a massive Granger thread a year ago. If you've ever tried searching archives here, you'll know you may need to set aside a large block of time to do. I don't care about the point enough to do that. The Granger fan boy in you is just trying to push peoples buttons without any more to back up what you keep saying than the rest of us. Everyone is frustrated and just continues to aimlessly point fingers.

Yet here you are, sounds like you didn’t learn anything.

 

[Tilzbow]

Seems as if Ford takes care of 98% of the customers who didn’t order with one of three dealers they‘re doing a hell of a good job. 2% of you are getting screwed, 10% supporting those getting screwed but the reality is the vast majority of customers don’t give a care or even know about this.

 

[Atomicdog]

It was in a massive Granger thread a year ago. If you've ever tried searching archives here, you'll know you may need to set aside a large block of time to do. I don't care about the point enough to do that. The Granger fan boy in you is just trying to push peoples buttons without any more to back up what you keep saying than the rest of us. Everyone is frustrated and just continues to aimlessly point fingers.

A year ago only Albert and Zach were posting here. I don't believe either of them got mad at you and posted to you to mind your own business.

 

[Tonka Bronka]

I accept it because I'm a realist and what the dealers were doing wasn't a realistic long term situation that Ford would let continually happen. Not saying I agree with how or when they changed it, but I'm not surprised.

As a realist, do you believe that huge ADM is a realistic long term situation that Ford would let continually happen?

 

[hemiblas]

A year ago only Albert and Zach were posting here. I don't believe either of them got mad at you and posted to you to mind your own business.

Lol Albert wasn’t a pushover. I wouldn’t doubt he told him to mind his own damn business.

 

[Mybbackpacker]

We would have also accepted Rivian as an acceptable answer to that question

I like the look of their truck. Ford does have a large stake in the company though.

 

[chtucker]

I am just going to dump this turd here... I bought from a top 100 dealer (probably top 5). I had two 7/13, about 830pm EST reservations. First Edition and a Badlands. Badlands has everything (MIC, LUX, TOW, 2.7 etc).

No priority, no discounts, MSRP+$150 doc fee. Obviously my FE was built and my Badlands is next week.

A dealer that normally sells 400 TOTAL vehicles a year getting 1200 of the hottest release vehicle in a long time (hotter than a C8) in 1.5 years of production just seemed to good to be true.

Blowing up the communication manager's twitter is useless, he is the messenger, not the decision maker. It was obvious in yesterday's live stream that Ford felt the law was on their side and that by deviating from an allocation method it would be more of a legal issue with the dealers. Levine and others from Ford on social media are going to take your feedback and consolidate it into "1000-1500 reservation holders are pissed off, they want their Broncos"

 

[1975U15]

I accept it because I'm a realist and what the dealers were doing wasn't a realistic long term situation that Ford would let continually happen. Not saying I agree with how or when they changed it, but I'm not surprised.

Hey bro I don’t mean any animosity.

It was a realistic deal for our family and I’m grateful for it. I hate that others at the smaller dealers getting screwed based on rules changing in the middle of the game. I feel bad for Zach and the people employed there in addition to early res holders just looking for honesty. Granger/Chapman/SAC we’re just calling a game plan based on the rules given at time.

It’s more than Broncos. They’re folks concerned about their jobs. I was there. It was a great experience. But something was off and it had everything to do with Ford changing rule after all their own shortfalls.

 

[Atomicdog]

Lol Albert wasn’t a pushover. I wouldn’t doubt he told him to kind his own damn business.

Albert would only do that if someone was being very rude and dense.

Oh...

 

[Fordhammer]

Mr. Levine
Can I at least get a hammock this year !

 

[hemiblas]

I am just going to dump this turd here... I bought from a top 100 dealer (probably top 5). I had two 7/13, about 830pm EST reservations. First Edition and a Badlands. Badlands has everything (MIC, LUX, TOW, 2.7 etc).

No priority, no discounts, MSRP+$150 doc fee. Obviously my FE was built and my Badlands is next week.

A dealer that normally sells 400 TOTAL vehicles a year getting 1200 of the hottest release vehicle in a long time (hotter than a C8) in 1.5 years of production just seemed to good to be true.

Blowing up the communication manager's twitter is useless, he is the messenger, not the decision maker. It was obvious in yesterday's live stream that Ford felt the law was on their side and that by deviating from an allocation method it would be more of a legal issue with the dealers. Levine and others from Ford on social media are going to take your feedback and consolidate it into "1000-1500 reservation holders are pissed off, they want their Broncos"

Please send me the information you have for Grangers yearly sales. I’d love to see that.

 

[Aviboy97]

It's supposed to be one line. Reservations. Reservation #1 to Reservation #150,000.

It's not a Granger line, and a galpin line, and a Chapman line, and a Smith Ford line.

That reservation to allocation process was changed a year ago. If you were under the impression today that the process was supposed to be that way, that’s on you.

Listen, I feel for the reservation holders that purchased from smaller dealers. I get it. I wouldn’t be happy either. However, changing allocation methodology isn’t new to automakers. I’ve been in the business nearly 20 years and I’ve seen it before. I’m a medium dealer (not Ford) that is currently up against allocation/order constraints and I lose out to bigger stores, even more so in this current market.

I’m not siding with Ford here, but I’m not shocked by it, as many of you are. I’ve seen it for years. Maybe that’s where my view comes from as it’s just “business as usual”. So, if I have a flaw, it’s that I’m not surprised by this and honeslty, it doesn’t bother me.

If it weren’t for Covid and the supply chain issue, this never would have happened. Yet, here we are and not everyone is going to be happy.

I’ve got a reservation with my local Ford dealer and I agreed to pay MSRP. My Bronco is supposed to be built in November. They are a medium/large dealer and the experience has been nothing but flawless. They update me constantly and answer every question I throw at them. As far as I know, all reservations with them are at MSRP.

A discounted price and superior customer service are not mutually exclusive. So, for those of you ther argue it is, you’re wrong.

 

[Pl8to]

It wasn’t a risk under the original allocation. That’s the point. If they are going to keep moving the goal posts, forget it. Every customer that went to these dealers had a deal that worked with Ford at that time. So many morons were saying the deal was fake and we were stupid going for invoice. We’ll it was true and Ford dealers got butthurt over it. Doing this stupid Monday morning qb crap saying everyone should have known better is total bs. They will change it again and again apparently. I’m not getting rapid red. Now I have to switch to a dishonest dealer who has no reason to make any deal. Orders are in. I’ve done nothing but wait and now Levine gives us this shit and you cozy up to it? I hope you get your Bronco before Ford changes something that will impact your deal.

Don't think stating risk is cozying up to the issue. Unless I'm mistaken all of these deals were offered well before any allocation equation was even out. People flooded to the dealers because they posted that they were giving a low price. Then the 2021 allocation model came out, and this helped the dealers get more folks in the door because their sales method worked with it well. It was never stated that the allocation model would be the same in 2022. Allocation models change, this is something the dealers know.

Everyone claims they are with these dealers because of their "no BS", but I'd be willing to place a pretty large bet that most of the orders through them were placed because they were offered a lower price. That's it, end of story, they are a business and they are trying to make money. Now they may have treated you all really well so far and that's great, but they are just trying to be a successful business at the end of the day.

I'm not playing Monday morning QB, I literally talked about buying from Granger with my wife months ago and said to her that "yeah I better not risk this, there is no way that a tiny little dealer will be able to deliver all of these orders". I'm not saying this to say that everyone should of done the same thing. I'm just saying that the dealers should of made this crystal clear. Someone in here told me to go to Stephens site to see that everything is clearly laid out there and that they have been completely honest. Well I went over there and didn't see anything stated about how there may be some risk in ordering from this as they aren't sure what the allocation models will be year to year.

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