#BadbatchBroncos - possible timeline for completion/repair/shipping . . . . .

[MCG DAWG]

. . . color me a pessimist but this is my thought

Supplier states newly designed hardtops first available in October. PremierDrum here states the plant is not expecting them till November. If Ford communicates I expect the following in late October . . .

"we're ready to get you into the Wild but want to ensure you get the best product possible. Design and refinement of the new MIC hardtop roof is coming along and we fully expect production to begin by late November early December"

Now, just like with any production line the new and improved MIC hardtops are NOT going to be flying off the line initially. They'll be doing painstaking QC work and it'll take weeks to months to ramp up to full production.
Meanwhile Ford HAS to get the FE's built. EVERY roof available will fill that need first. How many weeks of roof production will that eat up? 2,3,6, more?

Only once the FE's are all built and QC'd will Ford start to fix the already built MIC hardtops. I'm beyond puzzled why they'd fix MIC Hardtops ON PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE THEIR BRONCO before getting the #badbatchBroncos out! But that's what they are going to do. So how many thousands of MIC hardtops have shipped? 3-4K? More? So now that eats up how many weeks of new MIC hardtop production from the supplier? Several at least many at worst.

Now, let's not forget Thanksgiving plant shutdowns . . . Christmas and New Years plant shutdowns.

So now we're probably going to be well into calendar year 2022 before the first new MIC hardtop roof is put on any #badbatchBronco. Add on two weeks shipping and I feel the absolute earliest a bad batch hits a customer driveway is late January and that may well prove to be optimistic. Most of us probably see ours in Feb-March.

I'd feel MUCH better if they committed ensuring ALL MY '21's are ready to go before putting an MIC hardtop on the first MY '22 Bronco.

I could be wrong. The painfully obvious rate limiting step is the productivity of the new supplier to get the new MIC hardtop built. I think everyone here can understand the pessimism that such productivity will be on time, will ramp up quickly, and that large numbers of MIC hardtops will be shipped to MAP anytime soon.

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[e90steve]

I think the bad batchers, myself included, are in for a long haul. I'm going to pull the trigger on ordering a soft top in the meantime.

 

[GravyTrain]

Might as well just get a Grenedier.

 

[ColoradoGuy]

To me, the wait is less than ideal but the real issue (that many people seem to be ignoring) is lot rot. We are not talking about southern California weather here. This is Michigan weather with a lot of humidity and very high and low temperatures.

High winds, hail and other inclement weather will be pounding on these. Degradation of paint and seals is just part of it. Some will have damage from rodents and leaks. They will also sit without running for the entire time.

Unless they get moved indoor (which doesn't seem to be the case), they are going to get beat up.

 

[BroncoDymond88]

I think the bad batchers, myself included, are in for a long haul. I'm going to pull the trigger on ordering a soft top in the meantime.

I did the same thing, I ordered a soft top yesterday, let's see if I get it before my #badbatchbronco build on 6/29.

Also, one correction, the #badbatchbroncos will take priority for new MIC tops over FE's.

 

[kodiakisland]

I'm expecting my DMB (dirt mountain bronco) to be delivered around Christmas time. I just don't see how they will have enough tops for the line and the mountain for some time.

 

[Username_not_found]

I could be wrong. The painfully obvious rate limiting step is the productivity of the new supplier to get the new MIC hardtop built. I think everyone here can understand the pessimism that such productivity will be on time, will ramp up quickly, and that large numbers of MIC hardtops will be shipped to MAP anytime soon.

I don't disagree with your assessment, but one correction; there is no new MIC top supplier. Webasto will get new tooling to produce the redesign tops with rolled edges and thicker shells, but it will still be Webasto at their same facility supplying these new design MIC tops. Mod tops will have a new supplier but won't be available until 2023 (optimistically).

 

[5280Bronco]

To me, the wait is less than ideal but the real issue (that many people seem to be ignoring) is lot rot. We are not talking about southern California weather here. This is Michigan weather with a lot of humidity and very high and low temperatures.

High winds, hail and other inclement weather will be pounding on these. Degradation of paint and seals is just part of it. Some will have damage from rodents and leaks. They will also sit without running for the entire time.

Unless they get moved indoor (which doesn't seem to be the case), they are going to get beat up.

I completely agree with you, and it's a really worry for me as well. We have briefly discussed it in the Colorado group too. Only thing I've seen that has discussed it is this thread where many people pretty much dismiss the OP as crazy. Im hoping we're just paranoid?

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/bad-batch-and-lot-rot.20960/

 

[Techun]

You have a few things wrong.

Ross said under 1k hardtops have shipped.

Also bad batch gets fixed before new FEs get built.

 

[WuNgUn]

. . . color me a pessimist but this is my thought

Supplier states newly designed hardtops first available in October. PremierDrum here states the plant is not expecting them till November. If Ford communicates I expect the following in late October . . .

"we're ready to get you into the Wild but want to ensure you get the best product possible. Design and refinement of the new MIC hardtop roof is coming along and we fully expect production to begin by late November early December"

Now, just like with any production line the new and improved MIC hardtops are NOT going to be flying off the line initially. They'll be doing painstaking QC work and it'll take weeks to months to ramp up to full production.
Meanwhile Ford HAS to get the FE's built. EVERY roof available will fill that need first. How many weeks of roof production will that eat up? 2,3,6, more?

Only once the FE's are all built and QC'd will Ford start to fix the already built MIC hardtops. I'm beyond puzzled why they'd fix MIC Hardtops ON PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE THEIR BRONCO before getting the #badbatchBroncos out! But that's what they are going to do. So how many thousands of MIC hardtops have shipped? 3-4K? More? So now that eats up how many weeks of new MIC hardtop production from the supplier? Several at least many at worst.

Now, let's not forget Thanksgiving plant shutdowns . . . Christmas and New Years plant shutdowns.

So now we're probably going to be well into calendar year 2022 before the first new MIC hardtop roof is put on any #badbatchBronco. Add on two weeks shipping and I feel the absolute earliest a bad batch hits a customer driveway is late January and that may well prove to be optimistic. Most of us probably see ours in Feb-March.

I'd feel MUCH better if they committed ensuring ALL MY '21's are ready to go before putting an MIC hardtop on the first MY '22 Bronco.

I could be wrong. The painfully obvious rate limiting step is the productivity of the new supplier to get the new MIC hardtop built. I think everyone here can understand the pessimism that such productivity will be on time, will ramp up quickly, and that large numbers of MIC hardtops will be shipped to MAP anytime soon.

Maybe you're misinterpreting it... Ready for production means the line vehicles. October they plan to have enough new tops for the bad batch, November the new tops run down the line.

 

[MCG DAWG]

I don't disagree with your assessment, but one correction; there is no new MIC top supplier. Webasto will get new tooling to produce the redesign tops with rolled edges and thicker shells, but it will still be Webasto at their same facility supplying these new design MIC tops. Mod tops will have a new supplier but won't be available until 2023 (optimistically).

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[fraserjr]

I also think the "all FE's will be built as MY21" will be a tall task. They basically have to ensure there are zero delays in their proposed timeline. Especially if they are doing on-road, DMB's and then FE tops.

 

[MCG DAWG]

Maybe you're misinterpreting it... Ready for production means the line vehicles. October they plan to have enough new tops for the bad batch, November the new tops run down the line.

Can you show me where they say that? That would be a significant improvement.

 

[zigtig]

Can anyone explain why it's not better to just ship out what they have now? I keep hearing cost but having that many Broncos taking up space and shuffling around comes at a cost. Not to mention the backup that will be caused with trying to send so many out in addition to sending the newly built Broncos out will be a logistical nightmare. Customers would rather have the vehicle with a rough top on it than waiting for some pie In the sky top to be designed and built. My build slipped through at the last hour so I'm thinking timeline looks more like this: New tops designed, tested, and available starting December. Working through the oldest units first, that would put the last units built around a March-May delivery

 

[ATLColonial]

To me, the wait is less than ideal but the real issue (that many people seem to be ignoring) is lot rot. We are not talking about southern California weather here. This is Michigan weather with a lot of humidity and very high and low temperatures.

High winds, hail and other inclement weather will be pounding on these. Degradation of paint and seals is just part of it. Some will have damage from rodents and leaks. They will also sit without running for the entire time.

Unless they get moved indoor (which doesn't seem to be the case), they are going to get beat up.

Levine stated on twitter that they have a plan for storage and such.

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