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Yeah I just noticed that.

The question is if we trust Build & Price. Because the Badlands trim has rock rails... and as you can see... it doesn't have rock rails in the render.
The option of the porthole bag makes me think this is going to include it.
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If the side windows come out on these newest ones I'm in!
With the removable windows being cancelled on the 24 job 2 versions I doubt they will return for 25.
 

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With the removable windows being cancelled on the 24 job 2 versions I doubt they will return for 25.
Yes you're probably right, the side windows is what I like don't really care about the gunner.
 

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The option of the porthole bag makes me think this is going to include it.
Yeah... true.

So... maybe you're right: They are offering the storage bag for the gunner's hatch, but not the storage bags for the rear window. We also know the removable rear windows were removed on the 4-door hard top. So, perhaps this means the removable windows are gone, but the gunner's hatch is sticking around.
 

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Yeah... true.

So... maybe you're right: They are offering the storage bag for the gunner's hatch, but not the storage bags for the rear window. We also know the removable rear windows were removed on the 4-door hard top. So, perhaps this means the removable windows are gone, but the gunner's hatch is sticking around.
That is what I am thinking.
I know they had issues with the removable windows, so cutting out a very limited feature made sense.
 

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A 22% increase in about 3 years; wonder when they start outpricing their target audience.
In my opinion, they already have. Ford lost the plot of an affordable off-roader, even the base is up there.

They're as bad, if not worse, than Jeep at this point. And you can get a 2-door Wrangler ragtop from the factory in any trim, which Ford can't seem to offer.
 

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And some people scoffed when I told them the Stroppe would be more than the Heritage Limited. 🤣
I have to wonder if Ford is trying to wean the buyers off of the 2 door models. 😞
And the fact the 2dr fancy body line in the rear quarter panel is now only for the low buy Stroppe…
 

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And the fact the 2dr fancy body line in the rear quarter panel is now only for the low buy Stroppe…
I'm wondering if that will become standard on the next refresh... If they continue to offer the 2 door.
 

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What the heck is acoustic front windshield?
 

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I'm still laughing at the Stroppe base price. :LOL:

The Badlands 2-door I'd be forced into to avoid the MIC top is pushing $60K without Sasquatch. Makes the $43K I paid for my '23 Rubi look like a bargain, Ford. Your pricing is ludicrous.
For base Jeep Wrangler... yes they are cheaper.. but as you move up to equivalents to higher-end Broncos... the Wrangler prices are stupid.

This is basically a Badlands with Lux, Hardtop, V6, and no Sasquatch. The tires need upgrading and the gearing is basically non-Sas.

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Glad the base is back, and like the black options. IMHO not enough positive change to justify the price increases though. When I first got mine, I thought I may be interested in a new one when the mid-cycle refresh happens. Absolutely no interest at the cost and limited improvements.

My 21 is 12k more, and I couldn't even get it in 2D, so I'd jump to a BL adding even more. A 22% increase in about 3 years; wonder when they start outpricing their target audience. For what it is they took me out of a refresh, and although a vastly different vehicle they are in the Defender 90 sticker price.

I still love my Bronco, thanks Ford for helping me decide this is a long-term vehicle and I'll stick with the og build.
22% in 3 years sounds about right. If I recall, the union workers are getting 25% over 4 years, and well someone has to pay for that 🤷‍♂️ Just remember this the next time you see a defect from the factory. My 2021 had a few broken clips and stuff like that. My son's 2024 was missing some clips from the fender flares. I guess we get what we pay for, but sadly I didn't expect to get $20k Hyundai quality in a $40k+ Ford.
 

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For base Jeep Wrangler... yes they are cheaper.. but as you move up to equivalents to higher-end Broncos... the Wrangler prices are stupid.

This is basically a Badlands with Lux, Hardtop, V6, and no Sasquatch. The tires need upgrading and the gearing is basically non-Sas.

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I'm not going to defend Ford or Jeep, and whereas I won't spend anywhere near $100k+ for this, but at least Jeep offers a V8! (Unless they stopped that for 2025, I don't follow Jeeps 🤷‍♂️)
 

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22% in 3 years sounds about right. If I recall, the union workers are getting 25% over 4 years, and well someone has to pay for that 🤷‍♂️ Just remember this the next time you see a defect from the factory. My 2021 had a few broken clips and stuff like that. My son's 2024 was missing some clips from the fender flares. I guess we get what we pay for, but sadly I didn't expect to get $20k Hyundai quality in a $40k+ Ford.
I would say my 23 $84K Sequoia TRD Pro had worse build quality than my 22 and 23 Broncos. And that was a non-unionized factory. My Rivian R1S wasn't actually well built either for a $90K vehicle. I'll be honest... it's American manufacturing. My German and Japan made vehicles from the last 3 years were vastly put together than anything here.

EDIT: And I don't want to talk about the QC on my Jeep. It will make my blood boil.
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